Status on m1/m2 update?

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  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,145 Expert

    Some users propose to make AS update paid one, not only by mac users but by all (@kubrak)

    I did not say anything like that.....

    What I said:

    1) AS transition should be paid by Mac users....

    2) NI will not charge directly for AS transition Mac users.

    3) It seems to be hightly probable that NI timed AS native support to K14 release.

    4) My wild guess is that NI might bring few new major version products. And another guess is that current ones will not get AS support.

    3) and 4) implies that Mac users might be highly "motivated" to buy K14 ASAP to get AS native support. Win users may happily wait till Summer Sale 2023.

    If 4) will not happen, or Mac users will not hurry to buy K14 for full price to get AS support, and stay on Rosetta till Summer 2023, all users (Mac/Win) will pay AS transition this or another way.

  • Monochrome
    Monochrome Member Posts: 1,405 Expert

    Guitar Rig 6 went AS native yesterday, fyi.

  • chk071
    chk071 Member Posts: 585 Pro

    I think it's important to figure out the reason why companies support Apple Sillicon though. Simply... because it is a significant part of the market. If Apple users would make a bare 5% of the market, there would be no point in supporting it, especially when the hardware manufacturer is bleeding edge technology like that. Nobody likes additional work, and somebody has to pay for it. You can be sure that Windows users pay for Apple development. Not the other way around. Windows is siginifcantly easier to maintain. Just ask a developer.

  • djadidai
    djadidai Member Posts: 567 Pro

    Ok. This thread is still, or at least should be, about status on M1/2 update for Reaktor, did any NI staff answer to this?

  • Monochrome
    Monochrome Member Posts: 1,405 Expert

    The following post might be worth sharing here as it's about AS support:

  • Nico_NI
    Nico_NI Administrator Posts: 1,123 admin

    FYI we shared an estimated timeline for the rest of our portfolio. Reaktor will be updated for Silicon support in early 2023 👇


  • ehdyn
    ehdyn Member Posts: 26 Helper

    Wow, very exciting news.. happy to see Reaktor, FM8, Battery are getting updates.

    Also waiting to purchase an M-powered Mac as Reaktor is important to me.

    I think what people in this thread miss is that M-class processors are offering the performance levels of "H" series chips but at much lower wattages.. in some cases not even requiring a fan. Paired with significant GPU power and novel memory utilization/bandwidth.

    This difference in power for given performance was only likely to become more pronounced with time. Like roadrunner and coyote running along the top of a train until the coyote is smeared along the tunnel entrance.

    Throw shade on Apple all you want but they didn't want to wait while Intel was stagnant and had them over a barrel with extremely expensive and overly generalized CPU's.

    If Intel does get their act together it's largely the result of pressure from Apple and AMD.

    I for one will look forward to using Reaktor on a laptop powered by a battery in remote locations.

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,145 Expert

    No, Intel does not react to Apple. In that case they would decrease CPU clock and make their CPUs more energy effective.

    Instead Intel goes to the technological edge, increases CPU clock, increases power consumption.... They compete with AMD, not Apple.

    And in few weeks we will have chance to compare energy effectivity of M2 and Zen 4 - new generation of AMD CPUs. M2 (basic model) and Zen 4 are produced on the same/similar production node, so the only difference will be the CPU architecture....

    It becomes obvious that Apple will have problems to compete with x86 concerning CPU power.

    1} Even M1 Ultra gives only half of the power of strongest x86 CPUs from consumer's production line. And there is also workstation/server production x86 line that equals roughly six M1 Ultras and one could have two of them on motherboard.

    2) Generation progress is faster in x86 world, than Apple shows. So, the gap will be bigger and bigger.

  • Jojo123
    Jojo123 Member Posts: 382 Pro

    @Kubrak

    "What I said:

    1) AS transition should be paid by Mac users...."

    No it should not. AS was around before I bought my K13UCE. I looked at plenty of documentation on NI site and saw nothing even slightly alluding to the fact that I'd be paying extra if I was a Mac user and needed to upgrade my system.

    The argument that M$ Windows users are more than Apple users doesnt fly either. The point is NI does support both platforms and since theres always going to be a majority and minority in most things in life, its rather pointless to use this argument. They have obviously chosen this path because they get income. Though its a plausible idea for obvious reasons, theres really no such thing for the most part at least, as "user pays" in this life, we all subsidize one another in some shape or form.

    Im an Apple user out of necessity, but I sure as heck hold no loyalty to them or M$, in fact theyre both as bad as one another and if I was more knowledgeable I'd do NI on linux.

    Soooo so pleased that Reaktor is to be supported on AS.

  • JUStheMC
    JUStheMC Member Posts: 2 Member

    So tired of this. I have owned every single piece of software this company has made. Almost every piece of hardware. I was a 1st gen maschine user back when the Mpc was still 💩’n on em. You have to do more than just make good looking interfaces. The same producers that make your sample packs make the same sounds for open source platforms. This two year lag in functionality is it for me. I am currently and painstakingly converting all my maschine projects to midi projects and I’m re importing them into my daw. Once I’m done I’m getting off this train.

    it’s ironic that your finally in the same position that the mpc was when you came along and changed the game. You took advantage of akai when they were not keeping up with the times. Now we have come full circle. And in a much shorter time span. You are the one that is alienating your supporters and you are the one that will lose the market share this time.

    hopefully I will be around to see you come back as hard as the mpc did this last few years. I miss the competition.

    but for the two to three days of time I have spent trying to get your pretty low bit software to run on my MacBook Pro. I can honestly say it’s time for us to move on. It’s not me. It’s you. Thanks for the memories.

    I would suggest that if you have native gear. You sell now while there are still people producing on computers that run this stuff ✌🏻

  • Paule
    Paule Member Posts: 1,314 Expert

    Here the Reaktor 6.5.0: Announcing start of Beta phase for January 2023

    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/8851/reaktor-6-5-0-announcing-start-of-beta-phase-for-january-2023#latest

    • Add native Apple M1 support
    • Add Reaktor as a VST3 plugin


  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,145 Expert
    edited January 2023

    I am happy that AS transition is close to be complete for NI. I am rather tired from neverending complaints from some Mac users....

    But yearly complaints, that NI does not support newest MacOS will probably go eternally on....

  • iNate
    iNate Member Posts: 308 Pro

    I have a Windows Desktop, a Windows Laptop and a MacBook Pro... So I am both a Mac User and a Windows User.

    While I agree that people can be impatient when it comes to expecting super fast turn around on support for new platforms or architectures, Native Instruments is really slow when it comes to supporting these products.

    The issue isn't that NI doesn't support new macOS releases. It's that they take longer than other companies to roll it out... to the point that people are stuck running DAWs under Rosetta 2 JUST for Native Instruments - when they have plug-ins, etc. from 20 other vendors who have made the transition. NI is holding them back, and often forcing them to bleed performance just to use their products.

    You sound so invested in making it your business to care about the feedback those users are giving NI. That's for NI to see and consider, not for you to sit on the forum and debate with them about.

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