Maschine 3.0 General Discussion

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  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 260 Advisor

    But, you feel me here, right? The whole "you are the only one with this issue" isnt true, and going in that direction causes blood to boil when customers are trying to get help on a public facing forum.

    Again - in the end Im using MK3 in midi mode. This has become too much trouble to maintain in my templates, so I stopped using it. Sometimes Ill use cubase, which has fewer problems with maschine than Bitwig, and the rest of the time Im just in BWS using Triaz or using the mk3 for random things. Maybe some day this will get better. Maybe not.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 260 Advisor

    ^^THIS!!!! This! Why do we continue the pretense that Maschine1/2/3 are a good arranger workflow, and are worth the trouble to configure and route inside a DAW, but the truth is that it ISNT worth the trouble for the basic arranger and features!

    I think NI want maschine to be more valuable to us, and to fill a larger role…. than it is really capable of, and this is one of the biggest disconnects over the years. NI want maschine to be "flagship software" but it feels more like a big, bulky soundpack player.

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,473 mod
    edited November 13

    I understand your frustration and how what I said which was actually "It introduces problems for you" and definitively not "you are the only one" like you're saying can be interpreted like the latter but that was not the intention, I was not fishing for an argument, I was fishing for a solution.

    What is not true is that "Add another group/instance it stops working in some DAWs, creates loops" since I see no threads here about it, at the very least it should be a rare problem since I am pretty sure we got lots of Bitwig users here with Maschine routed, this seems like a reasonable logic to me but it does not imply it's impossible. It could be that your setup has a specific small thing that is interfering, a preference setting, maybe a bug or conflict… I was actually interested in getting to the bottom of it because if an issue is not reproducible or even known then it will never be fixed.

    Again, sorry if I hurt your feelings but I was really just trying to help.

  • Lionzinio
    Lionzinio Member Posts: 119 Advisor

    Yes. The one thing that the Machine software does better than any other software is control the Maschine hardware and enable musicians to use the Maschine hardware as an instrument/production device.

    My point was that I can't imagine anyone using the Maschine software as a standalone application without the hardware as it's markedly inferior to every other production software or DAW out there.

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 1,761 Expert

    You've personally tried every single piece of production software or DAW in existence, and confirmed that Maschine is worse than all of them? Colour me sceptical.

  • Mark Oxley
    Mark Oxley Member Posts: 311 Pro
    edited November 14

    A DAW in any flavour is a tool just as Maschine is a tool. In the right hands they're both capable of producing commercial ready songs. Maschine excels in it's role along with the Maschine hardware in giving a largely computer free integration, more so with Maschine+.

    I've moved on to Ableton Live along with Push but I still like to sketch ideas in Maschine before moving them across to my DAW, this suits my workflow very well.

    I got back into producing some 15 years ago most of which was dedicated to Maschine and Komplete and although it's had it's frustrations along that journey, by and large I've enjoyed the ride.

  • Beatsandmore
    Beatsandmore Member Posts: 125 Helper
    edited November 14

    Up until about 7 months ago i was using maschine software in cubase a plugin and setup the routing to sequence in my mpc.. and track out in cubase also use other vsts in cubase. It worked pretty good until the lasted maschine 2.15 update

  • olafmol
    olafmol Member Posts: 208 Pro

    Nail on the head ;P I think there are broadly 2 types of users: musicians, that can use most tools to get the ideas in their heads into actual music, and are able and willing to work around limitations and quirks because they feel a creative urge to "record" their musical ideas with any means available to them.

    And then there is the other group: lovers of (music) technology, that want to play around with synths, samplers, software, and if this produces some actual music that's worth listening to, that would be awesome, but that's not the main purpose.

    Comparable to someone just tinkering with a guitar on the couch, for fun and relaxation, or someone actually recording guitar-based songs on a rusty tascam 4track.

  • fkaNous
    fkaNous Member Posts: 19 Member

    I would be interested to see what NI could do with a DAW, but they don't HAVE to make one.

    I do think they could be better at what they ARE doing, but I think we are trying to define what NI should be based on different personal parameters.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 260 Advisor

    Yeah, I created at least one thread, as well as left a few comments, as well as made a support request a while back (6+ monthsish). Its all good — no feelings hurt, as when Im interacting with brands I dont expect much anymore. Again — the whole thing is moot now since I moved on. I dont use that workflow anymore, and that is NI's loss now, not mine. Its cool that you dont remember the years of threads I participated in with you, where I helped others and etc, before the forum and brand went insane. No love lost at all D-One.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 260 Advisor

    That's funny lmaaaao! So you believe the people who want to avoid the troublesome routing of maschine inside their DAWs, who prefer just to use maschine as a glorified soundpack player (because lets face it — that is its greatest strength and role) to access NI's curated, specifically paired content = casuals? And those who use the frustrating, limited, ancient sequencer inside maschine - and dont use a powerful DAW - are the real ones??? Tell me it aint so!!! ROFFFL

  • Tom Collins
    Tom Collins Member Posts: 67 Helper

    How do you usually move your ideas from Maschine to Ableton? :)

  • Mark Oxley
    Mark Oxley Member Posts: 311 Pro

    Usually by dragging and dropping from Maschine directly onto a track in Ableton either as midi data or converting to an audio track dependant on what's required.

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