Ask me anything: Kontrol S-Series MK3
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This will not be possible with Kontrol S MK3.
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Will the new UI for KK software bring any of the new visuals of NKS 2 to the desktop? The standardized dimensions and visual clarity of parameters and their grouping would be wonderful to see "up top".
Spread the NKS 2 love!
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Indefinitely.
I can't share proprietary commercial data, but even if we wanted to (which we don't, because sustainability, e-waste, caring for our customers, etc), it would be a poor business decision, as we have a significant number of Kontrol S MK2 users who continue to use, and buy NKS 1 content, both of which are still supported.
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We also believe in accessibility, and think every feature should be accessible.
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To start in reverse order, we do listen to customers. I want to be very clear that listening to customers is not ever, nor should ever, be the same thing as implementing every single feature exactly as requested. You may not always like a particular product decision, but we have to strike what we see as a healthy balance. Rarely does the shepherd of such an approach end up with a cohesive product. In making it "right" for everyone, you can easily make it "wrong" for everyone, as it's too diluted, convoluted, etc.
Regarding MIDI 2, I answered this earlier in the thread. But we're primed to take advantage of all it as to offer, as soon as the OS, DAWs and content manufacturers do too (which they are in the process of doing).
I've also touched on this elsewhere, but it is not possible to port the direct connection to Kontakt 7 to the Kontrol S MK2. It's built on a the standalone tech stack only MK3 has. I don't believe it was every promised, at least it certainly should not have been.
Regarding the capacitive knobs - we will continue to make improvements, but that may not be one of them.
MPE - yes this is likely at some point.
And to the first question... X/Y pads. To be fully transparent, this is a fantastic request and one I wish we'd been able to accommodate sooner. We encountered some engineering challenges specific to this feature, and it didn't make it in. Perhaps on future revisions, but not on MK3.
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My vote is for more Direct Connection for more products please!
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NKS 2 is so, so much more than that. Check my earlier post (one of the first AMA responses): https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/95118/#Comment_95118
Kontrol S MK2 is still supported.
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I confess the whole Maschine thing got me really angry, I've calmed down now. 🤣
One quick thing I can say that might have been overlook is this:
Using something rarely doesn't mean that the "thing" has low value, I am one of the MAS+KKS users who only bought a KKS (owned both Mk1 and Mk2) because it integrates with Maschine and still, I used the integration rarely, but... it's still the reason I bought the keyb (along with smart play), I would have never buy a 600/700 keyboard otherwise. I do understand I am a minority tho.
You can look at PolyAT the same way, I doubt people will use it daily, constantly VS on occasion but it's still a main selling point, as are MPE Pads on a Push3 or similar things.
Yes. I was thinking specifically about Piano Learning apps which obviously could benefit a ton from connecting and communicating directly with a keyboard that has a light guide, some indie devs reversed-engineered enough of KKS Mk1/Mk2 to make it work, one can even use the screens. Roli made some moves in this direction for example.
This is just one use case, but many others could be cool aswell, i'd never in a million years expect NI to do anything open-source but would be cool to have enough of the communication protocol public so people could work on 3rd pary SW that would only help the keybs to be more popular.
It's been quite hard to convey over the interwebs just how much of a significant workflow improvement it is, so any feedback on how best to do this is welcome. One of those, once you use it, you get it type things.
I've learned 100 times more about the KKSMK3 from just 2 or 3 of your responses than watching all the influencer's videos, maybe consider giving them some bullet points on the main changes or using these very thread questions/confusion to make future in-house overview videos for releases that are more in-depth.
Maybe a select few users could ask questions on a beta or another private place before the influencer embargo lifts to avoid this much confusion?
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Agreed - this is something we hope to do at some point as we continue to revise the NKS SDK.
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Can you tell us a bit about this internal computer? The processor and operating system?
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No, and there's no plans at the minute to allow this.
However, it's a bit chicken, egg, road, whichever came or crossed first or whatever. Great idea!!! People haven't really requested it. As soon as we announced this new keyboard, which has directly integrated support for Kontakt 7 multis, it sparked a lot of follow on requests for such layering in non Kontakt settings.
Completely understandable. Would probably stay as an intriguing yet low priority request unless we hear otherwise en masse, at which point we'd lay the proverbial egg, cross the rubicon, and get it done.
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I find these threads a like:
NATIVE INSTRUMENTS: it starts on the 18th!!
Everyone: does not read this.
I jest of course. I'm terrible at skim reading, I do it all the time. All good. Nice to have you here!
I am looking forward to going on vacation though, once the keyboard ships, and the post launch stuff I've talked about is underway.
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No faders may not be the buy for you, but it is the buy for others. Such a feature is quite a binary (and apparently, polarizing) consideration. Some people were asking for faders, but not all, and not enough to warrant the inclusion (and associated increased in cost, weight, complexity, and so on). I absolutely understand why people that want faders, want them. I have film composer friends who say the same as you. Then I have other film composer friends who say quite the opposite. Time is a flat circle.
Furthermore, I appreciate the sentiment, but I'd encourage anyone to take a stab at things considered easy to add, or easy to do, before drawing a conclusion. It would be hard and expensive to do motorized faders well, to our standards. It would sell in limited numbers. Maybe we'll do it one day, but this isn't that day. Plus, if it isn't a motorized, I'll offer an opinion that I don't believe it to be useful. To be useful, a control needs to follow the state of the parameter, otherwise you get out of sync.
Regarding the Fatar keybeds - they're massively improved. I don't think the MK2 keybeds were bad by any stretch, but as a keyboard player myself I totally get the plethora of thoughts and feelings with regards to the entire Fatar lineup. If and when we add faders, and this becomes the product for you, I'll hope you enjoy the new keybeds!
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You know what? It's weird to let questions build up for a week. That's not really how normal forums work. You said you were busy, but honestly, 15 minutes a day would have been all it would have taken.
I'd let it slide other than I've now waited a week, and you just breezed over the question I've actually been waiting for (about FL Studio's new integration), I'm going to give you some feedback.
I assumed you would operate this like a normal AMA, but given how famously bad NI customer support is, and how well known you all are for abandoning this community usually letting regular users give incomplete and often wrong answers, I really should have known there would have been something weird about your AMA.
But my irritation is really that you're answering posts like this, and others that don't have an answer while ignoring actual questions that you, oddly, made us wait a week to find out were going to get ignored.
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Not at this time. That team are working on some other stuff for now. Bringing Massive and Massive X to NKS 2 for instance.
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