MPC 3.0 How will NI respond?
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Everything you mentioned as as you write " MPC3.0 Respond?" Is already possible in Maschine+ Standalone Mode.
Please understand me, I think that this should be something that is hard but it's the purpose of this Forum so we should helping each other ect. Networking.
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@Psyearth5 wrote:
Everything you mentioned as as you write " MPC3.0 Respond?" Is already possible in Maschine+ Standalone Mode.
Now, I‘m curious! How can an M+ in standalone do:
- Disk Streaming
- Stem Seperation
- Key detection
- Tuner
- Realtime Time Stretch
- Warping (after chopping, and NO, audio plugin does not do the same thing)
- Sampler flexibility (Stereo>mono, etc)
- MP3 Compatibility
without external Gear, custom Reaktor Ensembles or other fancy convoluted workarounds?
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Networking? Cool! Could you @Psyearth5 please help me? My M+ is affected by the following:
- It stumbles during playback
- Its required me to every freaking time to hot-replug my audio interface after every boot to allow M+ to detect it
- It cant properly organize my 18000 samples using nested folders without manually tagging each single one of them separately using desktop software. And even more - i cant find proper file manager inside at all despite trying it already for 3 years. Is it me or M+ doesnt have one?
- Every activation of the Text Entry dialog breaks ability to move playhead by SHIFT + 4D rotation
- It displays incorrect information in Mixer and Ideas views after booting and loading a project
- It adds non-zero attack and decay on every sample slice so in case of 20 slices its required to manually edit each of these 20 slices to reset these values to zero
- In Keyboard mode its not able to play fast notes using pads without clicks and crackle, even at CPU load as low as 40%
- Keyboard mode again - it regularly forgets pad transposition settings of every group
- MIDI timing (jitter) to external devices is awful
- And some other things which i cant tell from the top of my head at the moment
Lets networking prove its magic, since $1400 paid three years ago didnt do the job properly
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Now with the latest official communication it’s clear: Maschine 3.0 is a paid upgrade and will offer these four phantastic features everybody is eagerly expecting for decades:
- New UI colours
- New Maschine Expansion with lots of sampler based instruments
- Stem separation
- Tempo per Scene
And that’s it.
Really?!
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That "Networking" + "It already has everything" statement has me super confused… language barrier maybe? if not then it's pure delusion… No offense intended.
Based on what Simon said there are 3 things missing from your statement:
- MIDI editing workflow improvements
- basic Kontrol S-Series MK3 integration, a modern interface
- many other small but valuable improvements
The last one being the most mysterious one, "many" is vague, it could be a lot of stuff or just 3 or 4 little things.
If we stay on this topic of comparing to MPC-3 then their list seems much bigger but its hard to judge since I am not an MPC user to be able to tell if their list is really about major changes or if many are just tweaks to existing features.
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@D-One you‘re right. My brain was so underwhelmed and irritated, that it couldn’t remember those other two features.
And number three doesn’t exist for me. If it’s not mentioned, it’s not going to happen. I mean, even features that were mentioned didn’t happen (aka M+ bug fix and desktop parity update).
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If I had any of the problems you mentioned I will ask support.
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Nice joke, keep it up!
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I'm a recent MPC user. There are a lot of changes between MPC3 and MPC2.
Linear arrangement and a real mixer being the biggest in my opinion.
There are a lot of QOL and UI enhancements too.
Maschine 3 appears very poor in comparison
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@D-One, by missing do you mean missing from the upcoming update or missing form the Maschine ecosystem generally? I remember reading that MIDI clip improvements are included.
In any case, I agree with @ozon that the October Community update left me underwhelmed. Really hoping NI is keeping some extra improvements (sampler and arrangement) up their sleeve.0 -
He means “missing from what Ozon listed”.
The things D-One mentioned have been said by Simon, so they should be in the new Maschine 3.
Note I used SHOULD…never know with NI…maybe they tell us things and then release a first version with half of them missing, saying they will be added “later” and we will have to wait years of updates, slowed down by fixes updates to do because the software will also be released with issues and some other “new priorities” towards another product that will force them to shift all their (scarce) working forces.
Am I exaggerating with my scenario? Well…that’s exactly what they are doing with the whole Komplete new situation
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No, not exaggerating. NI is making a lot of bad business decisions currently, which seem related to switching over their software architecture. The recent community update talked about moving the “Battery use case” into Kontakt since it is just Kontakt under the hood. Reaktor, which has a thriving community was lumped in here as well as being a “maintenance only” product. Eventually users are going to catch on that most of the Komplete bundle is a bunch of outdated software and that NI’s only modern offering is Kontakt, which truthfully is outdated as well.
Most of the things I used to rely on NI for are now done better in competitor software from Akai and Roland. Galaxias from Roland is a superior product to Komplete Kontrol now, and it is far from close. The Akai Force is compatible with all Maschine expansions and works better than M+ as a standlone device. NI is taking so long to catch up, I really think they are going to be lapped by Akai and Roland. Also, while NI is consolidating their Komplete software offering, both Roland and Akai are expanding theirs. I expect Roland will have a complete hybrid workflow built off their plug-out tech in this next generation. Akai will probably release MPC hardware that has more power under the hood than most laptops. What exactly is the NI value proposition is the only thing getting updated is Kontakt and the Maschine 3.0 update is really just an architecture overhaul with no new hardware?I suppose we will have to wait and see how everything shakes out, but NI content on youtube currently gets 50% the engagement of Akai, which I think suggests NI has lost a lot of market share.
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Relevant/mandatory viewing for all NI customers:
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I want to apologize to everyone. The new update offers new functions, but for me it is not crucial. A sampler with more start positions or a wavetable module would contribute more in my opinion. My attitude is to always motivate and not to cause complaints and other problems that I don't have or didn't have on M+ I feel sorry whenever I hear that someone has a problem with hardware or software. I honestly thought that by now I would motivate someone by example or that I would get to know someone...
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this would be valid if there wasnt basic ass groove box features that have been sat in the ''we'll' get round to it" column for 13 years
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