Time to set Absynth 5 free

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  • SaschaFranck
    SaschaFranck Member Posts: 168 Advisor

    Just try to use as little products from suspicious companies as possible. NI is a very suspicious company, every product but Kontakt and perhaps Maschine will likely be dead in a comparatively short while.

    Absynth should be brought completely back into the hands that it never should've left in the first place, namely in Mr. Clevinger's.

  • el-bo
    el-bo Member Posts: 150 Advisor

    It's a shame these EOL apps couldn't be placed in an EOL wrapper, so that only the wrapper would need to be OS-maintained to kee evrything within working. I'm thinking something like ensembles do within Reaktor. As someone with no programming experience, I have no idea whether something like this is possible, but just thinking out loud.

    Alternatively, would it not be possible to resample the presets and make available as either an ensemble within Reaktor or a Kontakt instrument (Legal permission granted by NI, of course)? It wouldn't be the perfect solution, but at least we could keep the sound of the thing alive.

  • chk071
    chk071 Member Posts: 563 Pro
    edited October 2024

    "It's a shame these EOL apps couldn't be placed in an EOL wrapper, so that only the wrapper would need to be OS-maintained to kee evrything within working."

    "As someone with no programming experience, I have no idea whether something like this is possible, but just thinking out loud."

    I think you kind of answered yourself there.

    This is more complicated than just having a "wrapper" which supposedly works for all plugins. The GUI tech alone is very different among the different plugins and plugin developers.

    I think this is the problem with this whole thread: People thinking there are easy solutions to difficult problems. And, that you just have to snap your finger, and everything is possible. Like, developing a niche product forever.

  • kesha.kumshayev
    kesha.kumshayev Member Posts: 1 Newcomer

    when, on a whim i wanted to try reason 1.0, i went on archive.org and who did i find had uploaded almost every early version of reason. of course it was propellerhead themselves.

    why cant NI be like this about older products like absynth they no longer support 😪

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,361 Expert

    More importantly, were you able to download and install it, and did it work properly?

  • el-bo
    el-bo Member Posts: 150 Advisor
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/184249#Comment_184249

    To clarify, I don't think it's something that would be trivially simple and nor do I think that such a thing would/should instantly work with anything that was put inside it. But with KK, Kontakt, Reaktor and Maschine, NI is no stranger to getting plugins to work inside of hosts/wrappers ;)

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 3,225 Expert

    "People thinking there are easy solutions to difficult problems. And, that you just have to snap your finger, and everything is possible. Like, developing a niche product forever."

    And people thinking that the code, IP, business agreements, copyrights and everything else that went into Absynth simply do not apply due to "retirement" and that NI can just wave their hand and all will be set free. (wrappers or otherwise)

    It is clear from the circa 2022 Clevinger video that this specific project has a unique (and most likely restricted) legal back story - one that no one here has any idea about.

    I say enjoy let's enjoy it for what it is - while we still have it. That could end permanently without warning or explanation.

    VP

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,125 Expert
    edited January 29

    Well, there are easy solutions to protected SW that cannot be authorised because of "problem" on developer's side…..

    Either remove copy protection, or provide universal key. ;-)

    That means to do, what NI has promissed to do in older EULAs.

    No way to escape from it by making it EOL and so on. Because before proclaiming it EOL NI should have either release copyprotection free installations of SW or issue universal key that allows to work that SW on any HW and supported OSes.

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 3,225 Expert
    edited January 29
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/207451#Comment_207451

    My understanding is that NI does not own this product (or it's IP) outright.

    So doubtful they are able to make arbitrary decisions like releasing universal keys etc.

    VP

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,125 Expert

    Well, they promised it in EULA, if they will not be able to authorise it. So…. It is not possible to authorise it on Win7 already. OK, it is not great deal for most people, but still… NI may also provide offline authorisation….

    And even thought it is not NI SW, they should have solution somehow covered in contract with author. If they do not have, it is problem of NI, not problem of NI customers.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,345 mod
    edited February 6
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/209283#Comment_209283

    Good to hear - Absynth is still one of the few synths to output in surround formats - that was ahead of its time, but now surround and Spatial Audio are more mainstream it would be great to have a synth being developed that works in that space

  • Kaldosh
    Kaldosh Member Posts: 418 Advisor

    Honestly, having a more "hobbyist" background, I was really impressed and overwhelmed by the apparent complexity of absynth back in the days. I decided to dive in recently and I am amazed at how powerful this synth is. if it had the same pop up windows options in the plugin version like in standalone mode and resizable windows and a more modern and versatile effect suite it would easily compete with any modern synth (soundwise it still does).

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,952 Expert
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/209283#Comment_209283

    Bring it to the Maschine Plus first! 😀

  • ShelLuser
    ShelLuser Member Posts: 270 Pro

    So… I'm also still a vivid Absynth 5 user. It's really cool to read so many stories that are similar to mine; back in the day Absynth 5 was also one of the first "real" external synths I bought, other than the devices that were available in my DAW's (back then I always used Live + Reason).

    And yah, I still treasure Absynth today.

    But there's one thing I fail to understand… isn't Absynth still available in Native Access for anyone who purchased it? See, if I check my products & serials then Absynth 5 is still present, with a clear direction towards Native Access for downloads.

    So what's the problem here, considering that we can still download & install it?

    Now… at the risk of maybe sounding a little arrogant but.. "free Absynth" sounds fun and all for those who never bought the product, but is that really fair towards those of us who have? Yah, we have a bit of an "advantage" if you will because we can still utilize the mechanics, but… that's also what we paid for. Or what about those who want to sell their Absynth license?

    Don't get me wrong here… I'm not some sourpuss who is going to start complaining should NI decide to go this round, heck: each to their own. But at the same time I also think that asking for a free Absynth is asking for a bit much as well.

    Just my 2 cents here, obviously.

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