Time to set Absynth 5 free

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  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,125 Expert

    The thing is it is not possible to authorise it on Win7 anymore. And I do not know about Mac, but AFAIK it is not AS and also most probably NA will not authorise it under newer MacOS versions (I am just guessing it…) anyway…

  • iNate
    iNate Member Posts: 293 Pro
    edited February 7

    Windows 7 is a dead platform.

    They shouldn't be wasting any resources on that.

  • newbreednet
    newbreednet Member Posts: 12 Member

    Absynth installs and activates perfectly well, just like any other current NI application/plugin - on my macOS Sequoia, Apple Silicon mac.

    It runs beautifully in both standalone and plugin forms. On my smaller laptop (14") screen, the Absynth GUI doesn't even really feel too small either.

    This was all a complete surprise to me since I'd "heard" that Absynth was "dead" and I was expecting to need to keep around an old machine even if just for keeping an Absynth install alive.

    A pleasant surprise, indeed.

  • victorp.sg
    victorp.sg Member Posts: 178 Advisor
    edited February 8

    Absynth 5 was removed in Komplete 14, so new users of Komplete 14 and onwards will not have it listed in Native Access. I assume it is the usual lament most exhibits when one discovers that their favourite software synth is going towards the way of the Dodo. 😁

  • iNate
    iNate Member Posts: 293 Pro
    edited February 16

    Absynth is fine if you want to run everything under Rosetta 2. The issue is that Rosetta 2 is a hefty performance tax and significantly cuts into the Compute Headroom during production. It's basically instantly cutting your performance by 20-30%. Your M4 basically performs like an M2, practically speaking.

    Secondly, it will seem fine on a 14" MBP because Apple restricts scaling on 14" MBPs to FHD. It's effectively like running it on a 14" PC Laptop with a FHD display - like an ASUS G14 (I have both - this is fact). You can't run a 14" MBP at native display resolution unless you find out a way to hack this in, somehow.

    If you have a 27" UHD external Display and set scaling to the setting between QHD and Native Resolution, it and other instruments like Massive, Battery and FM8 are very lacking in ergonomics - despite other stuff scaling fairly well.

    They did add scaling to Massive, but it's lossy bitmap scaling… so actually worse than running it at 100% scaling due to the blurriness of the UI and how that can strain many peoples' eyes.

    Absynth also doesn't have a VST3 plug-in, and in many DAWs that is inefficient since they can stop processing VST3 when the plug-in is not processing or producing any sound.

    I think resurrecting this would be a mistake, personally, but NI is probably looking for any way to save face and increase their reputation, as they have taken quite a few hits in recent years. Despite how loud some on the forum may be, overall very few people care about Absynth and very few were buying it or buying a Komplete bundle to use it. At best, it was simply a preset bank for most. It doesn't even sound that great compared to some of the newer synths that have released, which can easily produce the same kinds of sounds we'd make in Absynth.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,345 mod

    'Absynth is fine if you want to run everything under Rosetta 2. The issue is that Rosetta 2 is a hefty performance tax and significantly cuts into the Compute Headroom during production. It's basically instantly cutting your performance by 20-30%. Your M4 basically performs like an M2, practically speaking.'

    Rosetta 2 only runs when an intel app is first loaded, does the translation then that's it - it is not always on in the background draining resources and even if it was on while Absynth is running (which it is not) Absynth is so resource light it would make minimal difference

    https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/407731/how-does-rosetta-2-work

    'Rosetta 2 works by doing an ahead-of-time (AOT) translation of the Intel code to corresponding ARM code. It is able to do this efficiently and easily mainly because the M1 CPU contains a special instruction that switches the memory-ordering model observed by the CPU for that thread into a model equivalent to the Intel x86 model (TSO - total store order). This has to do with how programs can expect memory consistency to work when having multiple processors (i.e. cores in this case).

    User's can observe the translation the first time they launch an Intel app on the M1 as the first launch is slow. The translated code is cached and used on subsequent, much faster launches.'

  • iNate
    iNate Member Posts: 293 Pro

    Sorry, but no.

    That's inaccurate, and there's a reason why Rosetta 2 performs worse than M1 Native even if you load the project, shut down the DAW, and then load the project in the DAW again.

    Also, if it cached things in the way you seem to believe (incorrectly) it does, we wouldn't need to laod anything under Rosetta 2. We'd just load the M1 Native DAW and the OS would transparently AOT and Cache it whenever it encountered an x64 component. The need to worry about whether or not a DAW was started as Native or Rosetta 2 would not exist.

    And none of this has anything to do with launch time. It has to do with execution performance, which is absolutely slower than M1 Native.

    Absynth 5 may not be that heavy, according to you, but what about iZotope, FabFilter, U-He, Steinberg, UVI, IK Multimedia, SoundToys, MeldaProduction, AIR, Akai and the myriad of other plug-ins or virtual instruments that may be used in those sessions, which will be run as x64 under Rosetta 2?

    Hell… What about Massive X, Kontakt, Komplete Kontrol, Maschine 3, FM8, RAUM, Battery 4, REAKTOR 6, etc. etc. etc.?

    Unfortunately, my projects were more than just instances of Absynth 5 and nothing else.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,345 mod

    It's not me saying that, it's an Apple developer with a lot of experience of Mac development

  • songman
    songman Member Posts: 95 Member

    I have Absynth v 5.3.4 running just fine natively in Logic 11.1.2 on Sonoma 14.7.4, no Rosetta required. Of course the plugin itself is Intel 64, but Logic runs natively.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,345 mod
    edited 10:30AM

    Logic itself is not using Rosetta, instead Intel AU plugins use their own Rosetta 'wrapper' when used in Apple Silicon native hosts. That's a good solution though to the idea that if one plugin is using Rosetta everything has to - that is only true if the host is running in Rosetta mode, but when using AU plugins or hosts like Bitwig that can also wrap plugins then only the plugins that need it get wrapped.

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