About your ideas for Maschine 3

PK The DJ

"the darkest interface i have ever seen"

You've not seen any of the Ableton Live, Bitwig or Cubase (etc) themes over the past few years then? Many of those are at least as dark, and some go even darker.

el-bo

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/203781#Comment_203781

Some of the ire is definitely justified, but imo not nearly all of it. Of course, there're so many products under NI's umbrella that everyone will have their own particular negative experience and subsequent battle(s), and no doubt there will be people who have been let down numerous times e.g someone who owns a 'Jam' an S61 MKI, who doted on the KORE controller, and for whom Absynth was the best synth ever made, will certainly have good reason to be upset with NI. I, on the other hand, have come out pretty unscathed, especially given my 20 years as a customer.

I have only recently entered the world of Maschine (+), though I've owned the software for a while. As such, I don't have any accumulated annoyances from the history of Maschine. But even within the last few months there have been many red flags. I'm still not at the point of swearing off NI products, especially as I got the M+ for a very specific reason, and bought it with eyes very much open to the current state (And if M+ never got a single update going forward, I'd still be content in it being the machine I want(ed)).

But yeah…this GUI issue could become a significant turning-point for me. There are already developers within NI's team that offer GUI choice i.e with Massive X. Interestingly, some were in response to user-feedback I believe. The other thing in favour of offering the choice for GUI or M3 is that until a couple of months ago we were all using the better alternative. With the exception of the graphics for the new features, it's already there.

I'm not suggesting it would be trivially simple to get it sorted, but at east they could communicate that it was something they have on their list to do (Unless I've missed such a communication, in which case I apologise).

With companies such as NI, PA, Izotope, Waves etc. there are so many things to complain about. While they all have a certain amount of unique tools, what gets users to overcome all the various negatives and keep buying, is the unbelievable value. But each of us will have our own tipping-point, when even freebies would be turned down ust to avoid the ongoing frustrations.

tempsperdu

el-bo

Some of the ire is definitely justified, but imo not nearly all of it.

It's going to be different for different people….naturally.

Many feel that Kontakt 7 was a disaster, and I certainly am not going to disagree.

NA2 has not fared much better.

The GUI for Maschine 3 is one of the most amateur I have ever come across. OK, some are OK with it, but there are also others, like myself, that find it unusable. The fact that NI register no concern about that is immensely distressing.

Many don't like FabFilter GUIs, which is fair enough, but for those that do, like myself, they are well-thought-out and innovative. The GUI for Maschine 3 is just badly designed by most parameters. I can't see it offering any advantage over the existing one, and many regressions. The architecture, which IMHO is firmly ensconced in the 90s, definitely does need an overhaul, but they are deaf to that, possibly because it involves effort, imagination and investment.

Hey, but why listen to the users?……………………….

bullBoi

Instead of waiting on a countdown to record, can't the DAW wait for input?

bullBoi

Also, give the poor sampler some envelope curves we can edit. it's not like we're using all 8 nobs. And there shouldn't be a reason to let them gather dust.

Jean Voyage

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/207053#Comment_207053

there’s adsr mode

fuzztronica

Can we have something other than a pitch black interface? Please?

Cretin Dilettante

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/207267#Comment_207267

I've been told that they intend to change the color scheme to match MS DOS, in order to encourage users to use the Maschine controller instead of mouse & keyboard.

PK The DJ

"something other than a pitch black interface"

It's already something other than pitch black. It's dark grey. 😀

The NI icons are pitch black (0, 0, 0). The darkest grey in Maschine 3 is 15, 15, 15.

https://www.color-hex.com/color/0f0f0f

Deleuze001

What ifMaschine Plus in Open Source using and building community features. Like Synthstrom did release the source code of the Deluge firmware. make custom firmware and use the potential of reaktor builds. win win for all

Sunborn

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/207512#Comment_207512

Ouf… Finally some common sense.

Dark Grey it is, and it's beautiful!

I really like, you guys to have options to choose, this is the best for everyone (Reaktor for example, offers few different color schemes).

But, since i am also a Maschine user, if it is a matter of, either this or either that, choice, i vote for the Dark mode, as it is now (but with a bit brighter fonts).

Cretin Dilettante

Being able to set our own color scheme for the desktop software and/or providing a choice of "light/dark/classic" color schemes would be best. NI don't have to throw out the dark theme completely, but we'd also get the option to choose something that works with our eyes/lighting situation.

AdelV

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/207611#Comment_207611

+1 current dark theme inside Maschine 3 looks like Batman Dark Knight not Dark Theme 🤣

tempsperdu

Sunborn

But, since i am also a Maschine user, if it is a matter of, either this or either that, choice, i vote for the Dark mode, as it is now (but with a bit brighter fonts).

Which is fine, and for those that find the 'new' scheme preferable…great, but there are a noticeable number of people, myself included, that find the current scheme actually unusable and this has been pointed out on numerous occasions by numerous people to a belligerent 'so what' on behalf of NI.

This is not just a case of an aesthetic preference, although that should be at least a consideration, one would have thought. It actually gives me something almost akin to an ocular migraine, and the discomfort caused makes it impossible to work easily. How can anyone work with a programme that is actually causing them stress to use?

I don't know what exactly are the reasons that those that have problems with it do, whether it's age related or something else. In my case, I think it's the jarring contrast between the patterns and the background.

If they can't give us some control over the colouring, then would it really be so difficult to offer us a legacy mode?

Sunborn

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/207637#Comment_207637

Yes i know very well and i understand.

I also wrote:

I really like, you guys to have options to choose, this is the best for everyone

I am with you!

What i don't understand, is why we keep talk about it, on at least 10 different discussions, and for over 2 months (?), again and again and again (you don't have to answer that…)!

We are not 10 year old kids or stupid, we do understand. The developers knows it too (what they are going to do about it, i don't know). Everyone knows it! We can talk about other important things and ideas. :-)