Petition for Linux

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  • GoaSkin
    GoaSkin Member Posts: 41 Member
    edited December 2023
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/109106#Comment_109106

    Look here: https://github.com/GoaSkin/qKontrol

  • BIF
    BIF Member Posts: 1,115 Guru

    Every 10 years or so, I install some version of Linux, and every 10 years, I rage-quit it. It's just too scatter-brained for me. I can't find what I need, and sometimes what I need doesn't exist. I have to deal with Linux on my NAS, and while most things work fine, one problem could knock me down for weeks. I'm just more proficient with Windows and Mac.

    Oh sure, I have a Windows 10 machine in the art studio that would probably be just fine if I convert it to Linux instead of upgrading it before Win10 goes out of support. That machine just doesn't need to run music software. If it has a web browser and the ability to connect to YT or other places for me to watch training videos, then it's probably "good enough to be good enough".

    But then that's limiting. I'm GOING to want to run a music creation program, and sorry; not Reaper. I'm GOING to want to run an animation product. Blender should run fine on Linux, but that's not the only animation product I'll want to use.

    I guess for me, it's more limiting to NOT be able to run Mac OS or Windows than it would be to not be able to run Linux.

    Especially with the recent innovations in efficiency and performance CPU cores from Intel, AMD, Nvidia, and especially Apple with its Mx silicon, Linux will continue to be #4 for my general purpose compute needs, behind Windows, MacOS, and iOS/iPadOS. #4 is not going to be my first choice for anything simply because it doesn't deserve to be.

    Maybe in 10 years I'll be all Linux. After all, my washer, dryer, NAS, security system, car, a couple of book readers, at least one tablet, and Roland keyboard all use Linux. But for TODAY, I'll upgrade that old I7 in the art room. And it will have Windows 11.

    😉

  • prohin
    prohin Member Posts: 1 Newcomer
    edited December 2023

    +1 for Linux!! Especially for my Maschine Mikro MK3. To all those who think Linux is an inferior OS, Linux is faster, less resource intensive, more programmable and customizable than other operating systems.

  • MaikR
    MaikR Member Posts: 436 Guru

    +1 for some kind of Linux support

  • Simchris
    Simchris Member Posts: 329 Pro

    maybe if linux users were willing to pay for dev costs it might happen, but unlikely

  • MaikR
    MaikR Member Posts: 436 Guru
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/129165#Comment_129165

    Paying to NI upfront, so before the release of something…? Good one 😆

  • dexl
    dexl Member Posts: 67 Helper

    Has anyone been able to configure Komplete Kontrol keyboards (a49, a61 or m32) to utilize DAW integration with the help of Bome Virtual MIDI driver? I can't seem to install it on Linux to view the DAW instance of the keyboard in a digital audio workstation.

  • Algreen70
    Algreen70 Member Posts: 1 Newcomer

    Hi, can anybody confirm native-access running in ubuntu 22 through Wine? I just got a Maschine Mikro MK3, not a win fan.

  • Laurence Taylor
    Laurence Taylor Member Posts: 13 Member

    On the theme of ROI, Arturia just released Astrolab. I bet that's running windows, eh guys. guys?!

  • Matthew_NI
    Matthew_NI Product Team Posts: 1,788 mod

    Using Linux to run embedded hardware (like Maschine +, or ones you mention) is not the same thing as building our desktop software for full Linux support.

  • DJ Yazu
    DJ Yazu Member Posts: 4 Member
    edited May 2024

    I know this thread is old in the tooth, but it's 2024 and I just wanted to post some input at this point in time.
    I'm a Full time Linux user, as in it's my Daily Driver. I use it for work, Games and Productivity.

    I also own a Macbook Pro mid 2014 model, which is now EOL. I 'can' install modern versions of Mac OS on to it still, but this requires essentially turning it in to what may as well be a Hackintosh, which is extremely Ironic given that it's official Apple hardware. Soon however, the x86_64 arch will no longer be supported by future Mac os versions in the next 2-3 years which is a big shame, I will be stuck on whatever the last intel compiled version of mac os is, and it will eventually slip out of support for software too. Granted, nothing stops me from just continuing to use an old version, but should something ever happen and i need to reformat, the x86 version of Traktor in years ahead may well become unobtanium, much like Traktor Pro 2 has outside of Native access.

    • And to be perfectly clear, I only have a macbook because I have no choice. I'm not going (back) to windows for anything, let alone mission critical applications. The first chance I get to replace it with something else, i'm taking it. Even if that means ditching Native Instruments after 10+ years of loyalty in favor of an all in one standalone solution. Apple isn't getting me to buy a new mac anytime soon.

    I'd like to point out to the NI Product team that 'Lack of return of investment' is a moot point. By not investing, you are therefore a part of your own problem - There's 'no market share' because nobody wants to be the first to stimulate its growth, A self-perpetuating cycle of peering in to the darkness and claiming there is nothing to see, but nobody has had the foresight to purchase a flashlight beforehand.

    I want you to take a look at Valve as an example. They didn't have to support Linux, but they did it anyway. Their ROI was huge. You fast forward 10 years, and they are making billions or more off the platform - have pinned an entire business model off it and released their own product around it, the latest of course being the Steam Deck. People laughed, mocked, said it would be a failed venture for them and wouldn't last, now Valve is rolling in the cash flow it pulled in. Why? Because they cornered the market. You want to play PC games on Linux? You go to Steam - It's got you covered.

    So ask yourselves NI, Think about it. No other company at the time of writing has made a proper commercial offering for DJ Software on Linux. There's a few DAWs out there, Davinichi Resolve for Video editing, But DJing? Great, We have MIXXX, an open source project that's good, but it's not Traktor.

    What if, You got there first. What if NI dipped a toe in the water - dropped one of their software products on the Linux space, hell even if it's only Traktor DJ 2, nothing ventured nothing gained. How many loyal NI users currently stuck in the walled garden and status quo of near-sighted business management would move to revive their perfectly serviceable but forcefully obsolescent hardware to continue using what they want to use - simply by changing the OS to one that doesn't restrict you with arbitrary Hardware support requirements and spare their machines from the e-waste pile.

    Would that not corner the market?

    Simple solution. Use FlatHub: Port something like Traktor DJ to Linux as a Flat Package - you control the libraries, dependencies, it's all bundled nicely in a neat little universal package that just runs, all the complicated nuances of flavor-specific support is taken care of for you.

    Port Native Access     (A Qt application?) to Flathub. Native access downloads and manages flat packages from NI sources, so you can control licensing eligibility for paid products.
    Or better yet, just release those products as Trialware to FlatHub, with the option to add your license key to it.

    As a side bonus? Traktor DJ would be automatically available for the steam deck.


    Linux's Market share is growing, Soon it will overtake Mac OS, by my estimate, somewhere in the next 5 years.

    If you want to make money off chickens by selling the eggs, You must first buy and hatch the eggs to raise the chickens that lay them.

  • BIF
    BIF Member Posts: 1,115 Guru
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/154699#Comment_154699

    Linux's Market share is growing, Soon it will overtake Mac OS, by my estimate, somewhere in the next 5 years.

    That is at best an oversimplification of reality, and at worst, an outright untruth. Linux desktop usage is around 3%, depending on who's numbers you use.

    No matter how optimistic you might be, that's NOT the path to overtake Windows and MacOs in 5 years.

    Could Native Instruments offer Linux options one day? Sure. But then you have to hire more people. You have to pay more people. You have to pay for the health care, vacation, and unemployment benefits for more people. And everything becomes more complicated, and THAT makes everything take longer to do. You don't like the current 6+ week gap between releases of Komplete Kontrol? Well surprise! Agile doesn't really work on a 2-week cycle, no matter what the hypnotists try to tell you. Even if you magically found the funds to pay for all the people you wanted to hire, that gap between releases would probably still DOUBLE. Because you know, the devs and beta team now have to test yet another OS for every patch and tweak. And suddenly, debugging user problems and issuing hotfixes now becomes even more complicated.

    And one last thing. Can you imagine how much BIGGER the MK3 launch mess would have been if we had yet ANOTHER OS in the mix? It probably would have been the end of all humankind, what with all the pitchforks and torches people would be bringing to the forum. Plus, we'd all be deaf from the wailing and gnashing of teeth!

  • Simchris
    Simchris Member Posts: 329 Pro

    lol….not going to happen…

  • DJ Yazu
    DJ Yazu Member Posts: 4 Member
    edited May 2024
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/154748#Comment_154748

    Sorry Bif but this is a petition thread, not a debate. People are posting here to add their voice for it, not be told by other people it won't happen in their opinion.

    Throughout human history people have always said something is impossible, that it can't be done, or won't happen.

    Then time proved them wrong.

    And I'm sorry to call it out on you Bif but, I never mentioned overtaking windows, I said Mac. only 4 years ago that number was sitting between 1.5% and 2% 'Depending on who's data you used' then in the last 2 years it jumped another 1-2%. it doesn't need a math genius to do an average of 1.5 x 5 = 7.5 + 2 to total 9.5% assuming the low number and that is ignoring the potential exponential growth curve and seating it at a more steady incline. sure. reaching 15% market share in 5 more years is a bit optimistic, but if we forget about why people are switching and just look at the numbers, 5% is still millions of people. In 10 years, most machines will be running ARM or some variation.

    And lets not forget about the e-waste problem. All those macs out there that are getting cut off from support when they're still usable machines is a huge waste. Better to load them up with something else that keeps them running longer, since Intel didn't really innovate in a meaningful way over the time span of those product releases, they're still perfectly usable and serviceable machines.

  • DJ Yazu
    DJ Yazu Member Posts: 4 Member

    Also, PSA I just found out today that Mixxx Finally fully supports the Kontrol S4 Mk3 with working jog motors, Under Linux - So once Mac OS 11/Big Sur falls off the table with software support I'm gone. My next hardware purchase will be a dedicated mixer, so if that happens before I can afford to drop around 1K on a big mixer, then it looks like Linux and Mixxx are now a viable alternative 😎

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