When will you update the GUI on Machine and Komplete control without requiring binoculars!

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  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 4,031 Expert

    @Maciej Repetowski

    "Hmm, so all of you guys with 1080p displays, do you not want HiDPI compatibility at all? Judging by the fact how fiercely you defend this?"

    To be clear - I have never said "I do not want HiDPI" ever (I do not think). And I am not "fiercely" defending anything. I am merely stating facts. Those facts are - for the overwhelming existing products from ALL vendors combined - 4K is simply not a thing. Vendors are not interested in rewriting their entire catalog UIs to satisfy everyone who owns (or just bought) a 4K monitor.

    "Now, I know that Windows looks good on lo-res monitor and I respect that. But we’ve had HiDPI displays on Mac for more than a decade now and going back from HiDPI to lo-res is an eyesore."

    Won't dispute this. Apple marches to their own drum and always has. That does not mean anyone else needs to (or wants to). Regardless of how things look on screen. And never forget how tiny Macs are in the worldwide hardware installed base. It's not even a discussion.

    Bottom line - as in most things - the world adheres to the basic mean standards. For monitor resolutions - that sweet spot here in 2025 is 1920x1080. It is good enough. Every monitor out there (including yours) supports it and most importantly - it's easy.

    Vendors want users to be able to see their product onscreen with no hassles. Standard HD does that.

    VP

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,630 Legend

    We already had a discussion about those statistics and how Statcounter presents them poorly in another thread…

    I will repeat just what I said there: “Quite interesting how stats can be used at pleasure (not talking about Vocalpoint, but the site per se)”

  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 2,608 mod

    A search for "most used monitor resolution for music production" suggests 1440p/4k/5k. Different sources, different statistics.

    Apple only manufacture 5K and 6K monitors, so there must be a market for them.

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,760 Expert

    Well I just typed that in……and immediately under the part you quoted, it said:

    "Common monitor resolutions 1920 x 1080 (Full HD): The most common resolution"

  • red_nick
    red_nick Member Posts: 337 Pro

    Statcounter is wrong. If you have (for example) a 3820x2160 screen at 200% scaling, statcounter will count that as 1920x1080.

    1536x864 in the screenshot shows the issue: that's really 1920x1080 at 125% scaling

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,630 Legend

    Which proves exactly what mykejb said: “Different sources, different statistics.”

  • Sunborn
    Sunborn NKS User Library Mod Posts: 3,755 mod

    Ok, should i rename the thread to "Display Screens Wars"? 😂

  • Maciej Repetowski
    Maciej Repetowski Member Posts: 732 Guru
    edited February 14

    Windows is HiDPI compatible for years now. You guys just simply don’t want to use it 😜

    @Vocalpoint

    Sure, just two things: which vendors? Cause I use U-he, Arturia, AAS, Roland, Korg, Lennar Digital, Synapse, Spectrasonics, Rob Papen and reFX and they are all HiDPI compatible. So is Ableton, Cubase, Logic, Reaper, Bitwig, FL Studio and ProTools.

    And yes, Macs have small percentage of users worldwide, but in music production, it is 40-50% of userbase, according to many plugin and DAW vendors.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,630 Legend
    edited February 14

    ”You guys just simply don’t want to use it”… or we don’t use it because companies are not updating their programs? (and when you try to ask for it someone will say it’s not correct to ask for it…). As I said in the other thread, another thing statistics will never show: WHY it is used like this (because it’s the maximum the displays can handle, because it’s the most liked… or because they get used at lower resolutions because of the dated programs?) 😏

    You can add Studio One to your list of supporting DAWs (and we are getting close to “all of them”)

  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 2,608 mod

    Seems like even Google can't agree with itself - what chance do we have? 😂

  • BIF
    BIF Member Posts: 1,206 Guru

    I'm a consumer.

    By my MIDI keyboards, the monitors are 1920 X 1080, otherwise I wouldn't be able to use the VSTs for the same reason as OP.

    In my main position (not at the keyboards, but sitting in front of my three main monitors), I STILL have my left monitor forced to 1920 X 1080, and I often have to drag a dialog box over to that monitor so I can read its content. My center and right monitors are both set to 2560 X 1440, and I have to really zoom in hard to be able to do things like type this response.

    I am thinking about turning my left and right screens to portrait, and I'm thinking about setting the right screen to 1920 X 1080. This would allow me to work on documents, websites, and other "vertically-oriented" content. It would also allow me to move my Adam monitors toward the center, giving me a better audio image when listening to music.

    My center monitor is 34", while the other two are 27". When everything is in landscape mode, the far left edge of the left screen and the far right edge of the right screen are both less clear, simply because the left and right screens are not perpendicular to my line-of-sight, not even if I turn my head to look directly at them.

    Sorry for all the TLDR, but I would never try to use a 4K monitor in this environment. I'd have to sit in the hallway to see my screens!

    But I AM thinking of trying a huge curved center monitor, with the same one immediately above it. If I ever do that, I would remove the left and right screens. But right now I'm not looking for reasons to spend more money.

  • Maciej Repetowski
    Maciej Repetowski Member Posts: 732 Guru
    edited February 14

    Mate, if you just had 32” 4K monitor and use it with 200% integer scaling (which would look like 1080p GUI-wise), you would not only be able to see everything from a distance, but also text and GUI elements would be super sharp = less strain for the eyes.

    That’s the whole point of HiDPI, to emulate smaller resolution with super sharpness of all elements on screen, not to run those monitors at their native resolution, so everything is tiny and unreadable.

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 4,031 Expert
    edited February 14

    How does any of this matter when existing software will never be rewritten, will never be HiDPI, will never scale correctly and will never look right on screen?

    While I wholeheartedly agree - there are a handful of vendors out there that do this right - unless a user uses JUST these vendors and JUST their products and NO other - like ever - will having a monitor running at some ungodly resolution make sense

    I must admit - I do love threads like this when a user buys a super modern, super resolution screen and then immediate complains when the first thing they want to run is Battery 4.

    In the HiDPI/scaling/4K resolution game - it's all OR nothing. You can't have it both ways.

    To answer the OP:

    "When will you update the GUI on Machine and Komplete control without requiring binoculars"

    The answer is either - never OR the answer is downscale your display to Standard HD. There is no third answer.

    VP

  • Maciej Repetowski
    Maciej Repetowski Member Posts: 732 Guru
    edited February 14

    That’s very pessimistic view. Kontakt is already half HiDPI or so 😉, so there is hope for KK and Maschine.

    Of course, legacy software, like Battery, will never be updated, but neither KK nor Maschine is legacy.

    I would also reverse what you have said: there’s only a handful of vendors who are not yet HiDPI compatible (NI being one of those, unfortunately), nearly all music software vendors are HiDPI already.

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 4,031 Expert

    "That’s very pessimistic view. Kontakt is already half HiDPI or so 😉, so there is hope for KK and Maschine"

    Well - you do bring up an interesting case.

    When it comes to KK and Maschine - I would consider both to be VERY "new-ish" - KKv3 in 2023 and Maschine in 2024.

    So - given this 4K/HiDPI panacea that some of you are all touting - please ask yourself - exactly WHY NI would NOT have done this UI work on these two - when they were on the bench being coded.

    Was it time? Or laziness? Maybe oversight? How about skill? Or cost?

    Or is it simply because Standard HD is good enough?

    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one" © Spock 1982

    VP

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