When will you update the GUI on Machine and Komplete control without requiring binoculars!

Nacka67

Hi

I have just one question.

When will you update the GUI on Machine and Komplete control without requiring binoculars!

I guess we all are on 4K size monitor resolutions but your GUI is made for HD, it's not just a scaling thing its a font size too!

I'm even willing to pay for this!

As it is now, it is not possible to use your products without binoculars, the font size are tooooooo smal.

Make it a product for 2024/2025 not for 2010.

Regards

Nacka67

Vocalpoint

"I guess we all are on 4K size monitor resolutions but your GUI is made for HD, it's not just a scaling thing its a font size too!"

Here is what the world is really using - vs what you think they are using:

The bulk of us are #1. (true standard HD or a dimensional variant of it)

Standard 4K (3840 × 2160) is not even listed. Nuff said

VP

mykejb

That's global browser stats from participating sites though, not music industry specific?

I have three systems I use for music production and only one has a monitor size listed above and that's a two 2560/1440 system. The others are higher.

Sunborn

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/40249/when-will-you-update-the-gui-on-machine-and-komplete-control-without-requiring-binoculars

You have a very wrong impression.

Nope! Not all of us are on 4K monitors, neither we plan to be, not anytime soon at least.

In fact, most of professional musicians i know (and believe me, i know a lot) are fine with their 1920x1080 or 2560x1440 HD resolutions. Not to mention many others who are working on laptops.

Important notes: Too high resolution is hard for the eyes. Maybe not for a teen or a younger musician but definitely for a bit older one. Also, very large screens aren't viable due to the position of the studio monitors. You need to be close to them, not to have them 10 meters away, right?

Also, consider that most of music application developers haven't updating their plugins to support such resolutions. It is not just Native Instruments, but many, especially the "smaller" ones (who by the way, might have excellent algorithms which are far more important for music creation and audio fidelity, than large screens and high resolutions).

Scaling' isn't an option. In most cases it make things worst. Many plugins looks really miserable at 4K.

It is better to have a dual screen of 1920x1080 or 2560x1440 rather than a huge monster. And it is easier on the eyes, though other factors are important too (for example, a high refresh rate or reduced brightness).

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/198904#Comment_198904

Statcounter is about as legit as it gets.

And sure - individual users may vary wildly. But that is their choice - and usually one that provokes threads like this one when someone goes all "4K" and then is shocked when they discover about 3% of the software they use will actually look right on that excessive resolution - instead of - you know - following the standard.

The bottom line is - any developer building anything in the world (music specific or otherwise) that will be displayed on a monitor - will wisely stick to the most common resolution possible.

And as you can see - that remains Standard HD (1920x1080) here in 2024/2025

If/when (or ever) 4K approaches the percentages that Standard HD has now (25%) - then and only then will the standard change and vendors might start thinking differently.

Can't see this happening for years tho. There is zero need.

Like Sunborn - I routinely work in several commercial studios here in town and only one that I know of has fancy 4K action going - but they do lots of video production too.

The rest - get work done day in and day out - in regular HD.

VP

mykejb

Statcounter is legit for browsers, I wouldn't argue that. Does it represent everyone? Nope, stats rarely do. It's a bit like NI saying "we base these decisions on telemetry" then wonder why people don't like the decisions when they turn off the "send usage data". Plus "home users" are probably more likely to have better/higher res screens than commercial studios, purely because they don't have to justify the cost. Except possibly to a partner!!

Having said that, would I use 4K for music use? Nope, but because the scaling is still rubbish and you need a magnifying glass as the OP said at the start and not because there's a problem with the screen itself. For development/graphics it's great, but music software needs to catch up.

Nacka67

I'm sorry I'm living in Sweden, and here we use 4K and not old HD, but then again we are a high tec country. ;-)

Build it with vector graphic then, then you can scale things up without any problem.

Many plugin company's has adapted to this scaling thing where even the font size are follow the upscaling GUI? Waves, Slate, Plugin Alliance and many more…..

The newly updated graphic for Machine for example is a joke, call that for a big update in 2024?

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/199061#Comment_199061

Doesn't matter where you live - 4K is still not a thing.

I think you are missing the real point here - this "work" has zero value for the developers or the companies that pay the bills. No company is going to invest major $$$$ and spend years - re-writing all their interfaces (in vector no less) from scratch - just to satisfy the 0.0156% of world wide users with a fancy monitor.

Now - I am not disagreeing with you at all when it comes to brand new products. Plugin companies should use the latest UI design and be totally scalable. But whether they do that (or want to do that) - is not up to you or I.

Some do it very well (Toontrack comes to mind) and others do not bother (Maschine for example). It all boils down to intent, budget, feasibility and ROI. And keeping existing users happy.

How would the Maschine crowd feel - if NI told them to wait another year and a half - for v3 - just to give it a new scalable interface?

All I saw when rumors of Maschine v3 started appearing - were people screaming non-stop about getting this thing out the door and into users hands.

So they finally do that and users complain about the UI now? Like wow.

VP

Nacka67

Let's put it this way Vocalpoint , I don't se it the way you do.

Regards

Nacka67

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/199133#Comment_199133

Totally fair.

I see it the way the rest of the world sees it. Standard HD just works.

VP