[Traktor 4 Pro] Once Again: Tidal, Spotify, anything: WHEN?

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  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,242 Expert
    edited January 29

    "request from someone and not able to get it. That is also being unprofessional"

    There's nothing unprofessional about not playing a request. If you don't have it, you can simply say you don't have it. DJs have been doing this for many decades.

    As a DJ you should strive to carry the most popular tracks on your own system, no matter the decade or genre, so if you don't know or have the track, ask yourself why. If you (as a DJ) don't know it, how many of your audience will know it? If you play it, it may flop completely.

    It may also simply be that you regard the request as unsuitable for the time, place and audience.

    N.B. I'm not denying the usefulness of Tidal integration

  • lord-carlos
    lord-carlos Member Posts: 3,763 Expert

    you can simply say you don't have it.

    It might flop, but if the Bride who pays you wants to listen to that one song she forgot you to tell about beforehand .. explaining to hear why your DJ ecosystem is the only that can't do it might not go over so well.

  • innerdrum
    innerdrum Member Posts: 90 Member

    If u are a wedding/requests dj you should be prepared in all realms, offline, online.

  • Scott Frost
    Scott Frost Member Posts: 76 Advisor

    streaming is not the future, everybody was streaming on New Yearโ€™s Eve and Tidal went down, causing DJs all over the world to have no music and then complain that they were embarrassed. Streaming should be used as a a discovery method or for at home use not as a primary source for music. Buy it and have it on the computer or hard drive. If you canโ€™t afford to buy then you shouldnโ€™t be a DJ. Thatโ€™s just being cheap and lazy. Streaming is not a priority and is a nice to have not a need to have.

  • Owner
    Owner Member Posts: 587 Guru
    edited January 30

    streaming is not the futureโ€ฆ

    After this statement, the question arises: "what is the future"?

    Do you still watch linear television and listen to the radio via antenna in your kitchen? :)

    I'm just going to get back into the topic here with you, there are countless other questionable arguments (pseudo-arguments?) in this and other threads with the same topic, but it's too tedious for me to go through everything one by one again. So it's nothing personal against you, it's just a basis for me to get back into it and be an advocate for streaming services.

    First of all: I still collect a lot of records, regularly buy songs on Juno, Bandcamp & co., but the overall catalog is unfortunately very limited in many areas. So I support artists of all genres as best I can, directly whenever possible. And yes, whenever possible I prepare for a job in such a way that I can work offline and get through the evening. However, this doesn't always work and that's exactly when you need to be able to stream. For professional reasons, I often need access to a wider range of music than I have. DJing is my job. A completely different component comes into play here. It is also partly about service. These days, you simply can't tell people that you don't have access to something that they have in their pockets or are waving in front of your face. Many people here are simply comparing the wrong performance situations with something else. If I play a vinyl-only set in a listening bar, then I'm the curator, of course. But even in the clubs, with a few years under my belt, it's no longer the case that I'm the cool guy who plays people the latest and hottest music. A lot of the influence these days comes from the guests.

    In the end, I can only repeat myself, but just as it seems clear to those who think that streaming is the devil, it is clear to me and others that there is no way around it these days. Tidal has the largest catalog of all possible streaming services that are suitable for DJ applications and Tidal pays the artists, even if it's still bad, the best of all, as far as I know. BTW: dJay Pro has brought it up here firstly (again) with the ideal partner on board with Apple Music. There I can do both: stream the song if I need it urgently and then buy it straight away if I like it. If not, I just delete it from my collection and am glad that I didn't have to buy the ******.

    Meanwhile, Traktor is once again getting ready to lag behind everyone else and believe me, that's not because NI's attitude is just so cool, but rather because of their own incompetence and an antiquated code that always makes you fear that the whole house of cards will collapse if you want to go one step further.

    Of course, according to various statements from the company itself, a lot of time has been invested in getting rid of legacy issues. But the competition has long shown us the direction we're going in and Traktor's priorities were simply different.

    The user base has clearly been wanting further integration in the streaming area for a long time. I'll just use my favorite and simplest argument again:

    Among other things, Tidal gives me the opportunity to discover lots of new songs that I wouldn't otherwise come across. I can also edit my playlists on the go or enter into collaborations with other DJs and share playlists, which is particularly helpful as a DJ team and here too, Traktor is miles away from being able to even come close to providing a capable, mobile browse management system or song suggestions to generate, etc.

    Incidentally, in my opinion, it would have been a lot easier to use the scarce resources in the meantime to integrate Tidal instead of wasting them on a few hi-hats and claps for the pattern player. Customer loyalty and acquisition would probably be a lot greater. But what do I know...

  • zephry
    zephry Member Posts: 688 Guru

    I would never call anything the future. We have all seen the end of various mediums and beginnings of others.

    That doesn't mean anything is less or more relevant when available.

    Tidal, SoundCloud, etc. all are platforms available but. None of us really know how reliable or permanent anything is.

    For me the best platform would be Google play music (which is also YouTube). I pay monthly for it already and it obviously has everything. But it isn't (and I don't expect it to be) available for DJ use.

    For me Beatport and Beatsource does just fine. Although a bit pricey. Not much more than a couple days food though.

    The debate over all this is kind of old. Since none of us really knows what it takes to integrate these music sources. And the issues that can arise with copyright.

    The music industry is very subjective to laws and agreements. Artists and labels tend to have a very large influence on what we hear or use. Especially if it is popular music.

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