NAMM 2025: Introducing the NKS Hardware Partner Program

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  • Styles01
    Styles01 Member Posts: 30 Member

    @Chris_NI @Matthew_NI - NI’s major competitors are constantly updating firmware and adding functionality (for free) - serious excellent, and needed functionality. From compatibility (read midi) fixes, to sequencing additions, to VST support and on. NI had a wonderful product out of the gate and it feels like you have abandoned it. What gives? M+ is not an inexpensive product. Should we as customers just sell our devices and join the AKAI and Ableton users or are you serious about making these products “instruments” for years to come?

  • Psyearth5
    Psyearth5 Member Posts: 347 Member

    Unfortunately and AKAI users enjoy humiliating Maschine users then it affects many Maschine users to feel like Team Native has given up on Maschine Hardware and that vibe spreads across the internet.

    Back to AKAI users, not only are they getting more and more announcements about the software that will be available to them, but there is also "insiders" information that is having a demoralizing effect on many Maschine users but not in the sense of the fans' attitude, but in the predictions that it is a slow transition of NI into Software Company, which rejects many at the start but also affects the others by now thinking that they should to switch to AKAI as soon as possible.

    In general, the announcement reached us in another mocking way, not the official way.

    That is my observation, I don't know what to think because I have work to do and I am enjoying working with Maschine. I don't mind that software will be available for other Hardware because in a sense it has been the whole time but it is making me wonder about the future but still it's not something that's stopping me from working I would just like to have NI hardware in the future.

    I understand the business and NI team knows what is reality, what is happening and what is the plan.

    PS. I couldn't think about buying anything because I was waiting for an update for better M Hardware compatibility with the Software at least.

    😃 I choose Maschine with the reason and I am more than happy.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 4,711 Expert

    He was talking about standalone keyboard, therefore AstroLab

  • Ojustaboo
    Ojustaboo Member Posts: 338 Advisor
    edited January 26

    Ah, my bad.

    For the price, for a stand alone keyboard, the Astrolab probably is one of the best at the moment, although personally I find the small round screen gimmicky, and again even though Arturia has V collection synths that support poly aftertouch, they chose to omit it in the Astrolab.

    If you want an all in one keyboard without having to take a laptop, if that was my budget, if I was gigging, I would jump at it. That said it's just a pc running Analog lab all bundled up in a box with a keyboard, whereas a separate laptop and controller would give you both Analog Lab and anything else you could want (and if you had NI S series, access to poly aftertouch for the likes of the SQ80v or CS80V)

  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 1,977 mod

    I'd love to to see NI stuff running on my Korg Kronos, especially as they've just released the Kronos 3.

  • MorrisEd
    MorrisEd Member Posts: 165 Pro

    You should try them before you buy them. Imo they are worse than anything Akai already has on the MPC. The Play Series instruments have been very laggy and buggy for me on trial. I believe this is because you are basically running a less capable software sampler inside a more capable hardware sampler. I came away from my time with Analog Dreams and Nacht very annoyed, which has unfortunately been my experience with all NI products over the last few years. I have bought everything they dropped, even the Maschine 3.0 update that I thought was very poor for how long it took. I am drawing the line here at inviting NI onto the platform that I fled to because they would not deliver these same features on the Kontrol MK3. I am worried this collab will deepen into some type of merger. At that point, I will leave both companies for Ableton Push 3 and disconnect my MPC Live 2 from wifi in order to preserve it for the great device it is. On a positive note, the original MPC Live; Force; or even the MPC Live 2 are great buys on the used market, especially if you keep the Lives on the old Akai OS.

  • MLARS
    MLARS Member Posts: 183 Pro
    edited January 27

    Console 1 with Softube as a partner next, please. And the obvious future Master Fader controller could have a screen with FX controls for Mastering, Reverbs, Delays and other effects (just me guessing). Hopefully they start adopting NKS again.

    SSL already has a one fader controller SSL UF1 which is a prime candidate for NKS implementation with a screen and four rotary knobs. Maybe NI has already talked to them. :) They may be ahead on Softube, hopefully some competition helps speed up the process for both companies.

    I could see Softube do something similar with their own future Master fader (single fader controller) - but the UX to access the plugins needs to be good with a DAW (do not like the effect chain management on the Komplete Kontrol plugin, and the Console 1 plugin has similar limitations in a DAW, integration with the DAW mix console would be nice).

  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 1,977 mod

    Last time I talked to Johan at Softube they didn't have plans to add NKS to newer software, but I guess they might change their minds if hardware support for NKS spreads to other controllers.

  • MLARS
    MLARS Member Posts: 183 Pro
    edited January 27

    My thought also. If hardware competitors like SSL adds it to their hardware eco system, which they should, it might push them to pivot back into supporting NKS. If more third party hardware makers start adding it, it will probably be an expected feature and push more effects plugins to support it too. Also I dont think we haven't seen another popular competitive semiopen standard like NKS so until then this is the option out there.

    Softube recently added Midi CC to the hardware eco system, which is baseline expected, but it is very very basic, pretty wonky solution and still lack a midi cc editor, making it a bit too messy to practically use (which they may like, just to sell their own plugins) - I cannot even reorder the Midi CC on the faders on the hardware.

    To be honest midi cc custom configs should be a last resort to control effects plugins, and should always be supported, but another control layer standard on software and hardware, like NKS, makes sense to streamline the use cases.

    Fingers crossed Softube starts to integrate NKS in the software and update the hardware to support it this year.

  • raphaël_
    raphaël_ Member Posts: 29 Helper

    they don't have the resources – it's very clear that NI's focus is on their software instruments. the maschine platform is more of an afterthought by now. with AKAI steppin in and basically run the whole standalone groovebox section (besides elektron maybe), they would have to put a lot of commitment to the maschine platform to compete. it's a business decision after all. i'm sure there are NI emplyees that would love to get maschine back on track, but it's highly unlikely at this point.

    i think we all have to take a deep breath and just enjoy maschine for what it is now and forget what it really could be…

  • Super8boy
    Super8boy Member Posts: 109 Helper

    Ableton Push 3 should have a mode to integrate NKS on 3rd Party VST.
    That + an arrangement view integration & better control for arrangement mode would be incredible.

    I also hope that NI & Ableton will work together in order to provide a less cumbersome Maschine integration.
    At the moment, it still feels like 1999 when one has to route all those tracks (a dedicated protocole is what I am thinking about)

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 2,188 Expert
    edited January 27

    The thing is, Akai have been doing pad based sampler/sequencers since 1988. When releasing the Maschine+ more than 30 years later, NI should have been fully aware of the MPC legacy.

    It's not like Akai came along afterwards and took over.

    I have the Maschine+ and use it alongside a couple of MPCs and a Push 3. I don't regret buying any of them. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. In a similar way to varying the food I eat each day, I use whichever one takes my fancy at the time.

    (what's up with the %$&£ formatting?) Grrr

  • MLARS
    MLARS Member Posts: 183 Pro
    edited January 28

    Reselling Maschine Groove sample expansions for another platform is just bad customer relations.

    I get that you have to do it for products released on a new platform that require extensive development - like a NI synth released for a standalone platform, then you may have to sell it as a new SKU (although it should be cheaper if you own the regular version). But accessing your simple groove samples (which you can convert with third party software) on new platforms should be free (if I purchased the Maschine version of a groove sample license, the groove sample license for the Akai MPC should be free to access). This would also make NI sample sound design products even more valuable.

    I suspect we may see new Maschine products if they can find a suitable edge over the competitors. Otherwise sound design is the obvious edge (they should just stop messing with their loyal customers by reselling samples).

  • MLARS
    MLARS Member Posts: 183 Pro
    edited January 27

    Agree it is a mess. As a Push 3 owner who has to convert my NI expansions with third party software it would be nice as a free upgrade get my kits compatible with Ableton Live (and Cubase Drumracks) - and should not cost extra. One of the reason I rather use Push 3 is because the Maschine routing UX is so bad IMO if you want that full DAW mix experience.

    Also hope the dev team can work with Ableton and port som NI products to Push 3 Standalone. Would love to get some Arturia and NI synths on my Push 3 in standalone mode (these SKUs should have crossgrade discounts if you own the original instruments).

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