NAMM 2025: Introducing the NKS Hardware Partner Program
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You (nor I) never talked about presets. A preset is just a sound, that then can be played. Like a piano or guitar sound.
We were talking about patterns. And a previous song is, in some ways, a pattern.
But…since now you say that you didn’t say what you said, I think the discussion is over 👍🏼
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True, not in this thread before now.
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@LostInFoundation you're clutching at straws now, trying to use semantics. I can only assume you're fully aware of what I meant and what I'm saying. You're just arguing for the sake of it.
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Well…no…but ok
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Whether I said 'preset', 'pattern' or 'preset pattern' is irrelevant. The meaning here is basically the same. They come with the product, and they're free to be made use of. There are thousands of hit tracks that use presets.
On the other hand, using (sampling) copyrighted material requires permission from the copyright holder. It's not "a little bit like" at all.
I'm sure you know this, so I really shouldn't need to spell it out.
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After a lot of “why” and criticisms by my side, I would also say something to people who are starting to ask “do I have to pay for that?”.
I think this is not a good direction to take.
In my opinion, we the users should start to think that it is sometimes correct to pay for some things.
I would really like to see companies thinking “I’ll add this or that to our existing products to make them better and ask for the correct price for the work done”.
In this way everyone would win: the users having their devices improved and the companies having a cash flow to remain healthy and to invest in future things. And a reason to put work in improving things (and improving it with good stuffs, otherwise users won’t buy them), instead of abandoning them to prioritize other things that can be sold.
The idea of updates having to be free is, imo, not correct and not healthy.
I do understand that in a case like this (the Expansions) it could seem that they are asking for money for something we already paid for. But what we paid for were those Expansions for Maschine. Now they had to put work in order to make them available for a different platform. And what we would pay for is this work.
Of course the price must be right for people who already bought them.
Continuing to demand for free stuff is of course making us spare money in the short term, but will soon force us to buy something new, since what we already bought will be abandoned because it’s not profitable for the company anymore.
I don’t think anyone of us would accept to be asked to work for free, unless when we had been paid for the work we would have charged enough money also for the future work. This is what they are doing when charging us the price for the things we buy: they calculate at what price they can sell it, including the costs of development, manufacturing and a series of updates for a certain period. But after a while, more ulterior work could be put on it… but correctly asking for the price of this work.
The only thing that goes beyond this reasoning imo are fixes. If something has not been made correctly or brakes, it is in the company’s duties to fix what they have done wrong1 -
Well…no again…but ok again
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The process is short with conversion software, what I mean with mess is that it may lead to a lot of duplicate samples (which is annoying). Of course conversion software is one way to solve it, but cross platform solutions would be nice to streamline the process even further.
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Oh look…the “vote down the ones that I dislike army” is back
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I suspect the “duplicate sample” will be there anyway, with the new versions of the expansions.
In any case, as I said, yes…more support would be nice.
I named conversion softwares just to underline that I find this move from NI strange. Specially considering the little strengths they have to invest.
Finding it strange which doesn’t mean I don’t understand it: it will generate sales. And that is what they are after0 -
If I'm an "Ultimate Collector's Edition" user, which product bundle contains the same products, what are available for MPC user too...
And, I have an MPC ONE plus HW, is the same product available for me on the MPC platform too?0 -
From:
Battery
Komplete kontrol
Kontakt
Maschine
Massive x....
List goes on not finished and promises on soon quarter 5,6,7,8.. now when we respond negativity mods go quite. All we keep hearing is the team is working on it. Do NI keep paying this team to not produce and what beta team takes this long..
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Be careful, I think you misunderstood:
Even if you own all the products that will be released with a bundle, the new versions for Akai will be for sale in their new form, not simply installable.
Which, as I already said before, is correct imo. Work done must be paid
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Would love to see mixing hardware like the Softube Console 1 to join the NKS partner program in the Effects category.
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This is where you need to focus to be honest; is not that hard in the end, people just wants to make music, and not deal with complexity, plugins, software and all that is connected to it.
@darshie76 I absolutely agree people want to make music without the complexity.
That's the precise reasoning for these NAMM announcements.
We recognize our users use multiple tools, and that it's generally a good thing if they can use the same sounds across all their tools, with fewer limitations. This is why we've ported a bunch of Kontakt instruments to MPC, and also to Maschine.
We also recognize a lot of users lose time setting things up, configuring controllers and so on. This is why we've opened NKS to 3rd party hardware manufacturers. Moving forward, a significant number of the world's MIDI Controllers will share in the benefit hitherto held proprietary by Native Instruments controllers: they'll be able to seamlessly plug and play, automatically mapping to and controlling the instruments you use.
We're trying to make it as easy as possible for folks to focus on making music.
Why instead don't make a format that we users can implement?
This has existed for years. Almost everything out there can be manually MIDI Learned or MIDI Mapped. Many controllers, ours included, allow you to save and recall different MIDI Maps. This capability already exists for those that want it. But very few actually do it. This is why the more automatic setup solutions are favored, which is the value NKS offers. It already supports thousands of products from hundreds of companies. Now it will support several million more MIDI controllers than it did yesterday.
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