What is the future of Maschine mk3?

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  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,627 mod
    edited February 2024

    Me? I'd never. I get free stuff for other reasons and I maintain my critical thinking publicly, to me it's a matter of basic morals over free stuff... I wouldn't sell myself for NFR SW or HW, pay me a million and sure.. I'll omit the truth all day. Giving people the pros and cons of a product is not too much to ask.

    They have to be clear about that, it's illegal to review a product without disclosing you got it for free for obvious reasons.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 4,786 Expert
    edited February 2024

    One guy balancing well focusing on the good aspects and saying anyway what is and is not working (or missing…or “promised but not there yet”) is imo @jef Gibbons (https://www.youtube.com/@jefgibbons).

    He clearly is in love with NI stuff and a very polite not over the top guy, not wanting to spread sh** at companies for something not working/available, but when something hasn’t been nailed he is not afraid to bring it to the table in order to give his viewers all the useful informations.

    A clear example that having made a good job in the past, he gained the trust of NI, that will send him things to review and accept his criticisms, knowing that in any case he will make a good advertising of their products.

    Being honest and having anyway a return for what you do is clearly possible

  • reffahcs
    reffahcs Member Posts: 848 Guru

    I like his channel as well. I watch a ton of channel, def not trying to imply the Loopop was the "only" channel I watch. There's probably about 5-6 music YT'ers that I watch on a regular basis.

    I agree, I think Jef like most respectable people would simply not review a piece of gear before they would make a video just completely ripping something to shreds.

    I did see his new Arturia review, no aftertouch? What's up with that? Otherwise looks like a nice keyboard.

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,627 mod
    edited February 2024

    Jef does mention some cons, respect, he's also one of if not the best I have seen when it comes to covering Maschine specific topics/features and explaining things clearly. His video style on products is more on the 'overview' side of things, out of 300 videos only 6 have "review" on the title, when that's the case I don't judge as hard.

    @LostInFoundation

    A clear example that having made a good job in the past, he gained the trust of NI, that will send him things to review and accept his criticisms, knowing that in any case he will make a good advertising of their products.

    Do you really think NI gives YouTubers things because they trust them? Youtubers get paid when people click on their links to buy the stuff they made the video about, for the company (NI or any other) it seems more about sales than "trust"... A cynic like me sees this symbiotic relationship as just social media marketing to increase sales, a simple affiliate link program. Of course, if a YTber is unreasonably critical than he wouldn't get invited to join the program but I also don't think people would want to watch pointless bashing any way.

    I do feel a little conflicted about a person making a "review" that influences people to buy stuff that they profit on, seems a bit like a conflict of interests, but then again I tend to overthink things.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 4,786 Expert
    edited February 2024

    Yes, I do think at some extent they chose people that they trust (and, as you say, the ones that they know will make only good videos about their products). In the end, they are one of the biggest company in the market, therefore I think they could chose anyone they want. Why not choosing someone they know they can count on?

    I don’t think we are saying something really different. By “trust” I mean exactly what you are saying: people they know that will bring sales to them. By being largely followed, by doing “reviews” that are completely biased, and also, I hope, by doing good videos that showcase their products in a proper way. Jef belongs to this third category imo. And at least he always says “I want to be sure you buy something only if it’s the right tool for you and what you want”. Half of his videos are overviews and half “educationals”. Another point for him, and another reason why I’m interested in them also when they are just showcasing a product: I know I’m watching someone who knows what he is talking about

    About them having affiliate links…you are right about it being potentially a dangerous thing, since in this way they have interest in people buying the thing. But I also think that it is more than correct: in the end these people are doing a work for them, advertising their product. Why shouldn’t they be paid for it? They are already succeeding in having users here in the forum doing for free part of the job they should do without having to hire people to do it and having to pay them…at least if they want to have videos on the internet promoting their stuff, make them pay the little amount deriving from the affiliate links 😏

    It all comes down to the integrity of the guy making the video. If they find a good balance between being honest (to us and to themselves) and protecting the work they do…why not?

    As you say…it’s not that difficult to recognize the ones that sold their souls to the devil at a crossroad…and just stop watching them 😏 (unless, as some good ol’ bluesmen, their pact with the devil allowed them to make some good damn’d music…and at that point…who cares…let’s listen to it 😉)

  • Schmapps1
    Schmapps1 Member Posts: 143 Pro

    Yeah for me, I don’t really understand when people get their knickers all in a twist about whether or not so-and-so is objective enough, whether or not the person doing the review is completely unbiased, whether or not getting free gear to review makes you a “shill”, etc etc.

    Why do we watch these videos? To get information. To see a product in action and get a sense for its workflow. And you absolutely can do that. There is plenty I have gleaned about gear I am interested in, watching people who may or may not be “in the pocket” of the gear company. Who cares? As long as you know what you are looking for and what you want to find out. And, if you have specific questions that they didn’t address in the video, you can just ask away in the comment section, and they’ll usually try and answer. Really, it’s a pretty special time to be alive and to have this level of detail - we used to get like one article in a music magazine and have to make up our minds lol.

    I mean of course these companies giving the influencers these products, is about advertising. We all know this. It is up to us, to use our own critical thinking and gather what useful information we can, and disregard the rest.

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,911 Expert

    TL;DR:

    Jef is THE GOAT!

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,627 mod
    edited February 2024

    I guess it depends on who you ask. Saying a review doesn't need to be objective or unbiased is crazy to me, at that point you might aswell just see reviews made by the company itself, aka Ads - NI reviews their own new KKSmk3 keyboard -- TL:DR: it's perfect guys, buy from link below!

    I never called anyone shill in my life, some folks really abuse that word but YouTube has certainly blurred the lines of what is Editorial and Advertorial. Speaking of traditional media/magazines:

    "Focus on the positive".

  • Schmapps1
    Schmapps1 Member Posts: 143 Pro

    I am saying that a review will never be objective or unbiased. Because we are human beings and we inherently have biases, preferences, and absolutely will allow relationships we have built to influence how we critique those people. It's natural and inescapable IMO.

    Having said that, of course I agree that there is only so much I can take, there is definitely a line it can cross where it's ridiculous and just annoying advertisement at that point. But as long as it strikes a reasonable balance and still provides useful info, I don't really have an issue with it.

    Yeah I know you aren't the type to call people shills, but man oh man do I hear that word tossed around a lot these days in regards to the 'Synthfluencers.' Like some people get really, REALLY angry about it all. Also - yeah, it doesn't surprise me in the least that those old magazine "reviews" were pretty much pay-to-play ads.

  • holonology
    holonology Member Posts: 84 Helper

    So, I got the Maschine Mk3 this week. Happy to report it's like new, the only thing that wasn't was the box and the fact that it came just as the unit, no box included. I couldn't give a hoot about that though, and so it's a great saving. I just hope my gamble pays off and I can have a few GAS free years exploring how to fit this into my workflow. Already loving just having a bunch of libraries at my fingertips. It's even made me somewhat tempted to pick up an M32.

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