My Maschine+ Wishlist

Jean Voyage
Jean Voyage Member Posts: 33 Helper
edited August 2022 in Maschine

It's probably what everyone does after spending some time with a new device. I have asked a few question and received a few insightful answers so far, and I pondered the idea of getting rid of my M+ again because it simply doesn’t do a few things I cannot understand. Before I do that (or keep it around until I sell it off because I haven’t been using it in months) I would like to take the time and formulate a list of features that I would like to see in Maschine+ to make it into a device that can become a central piece of equipment in my workflow. Most of these things concern sample handling and processing as that’s my main area, but there are a few things related to playing stuff as well.

Generally, sampling on the Maschine platform is heavily underdeveloped. This was probably ok when Maschine was released in 2009 to compete with the 1000/2500 line of MPCs but it isn’t ok anymore today when almost every new sampler instrument has a better suite of sample manipulation tools on board.

Without further ado, here’s my wishlist (for standalone):

  1. Sampling: I really need Maschine+ to let me convert samples to mono, both as a sum and individual channels. The workaround of recording just left or right to mono does not work when I want to mono drumbreaks that are spread across the stereo spectrum. And even when I want to isolate left or right but want to use parts from both channels, having to record the sample twice is a clunky approach. Why not make a tiny mono/stereo plugin that lets users sum stereo signals and play individual channels as mono center sounds. Ableton has it and it takes barely any effort to make (for a company that made the other stuff that’s in Maschine).
  2. Sampling/handling: I really need access to my recorded samples from different projects in order to be able to reuse stuff I previously sampled in other projects, i.e. I need access to the Recordings folder, and I want to be able to rename samples and tag them right on the hardware. Maschine+ is not a computer where I can just go into the file system, copy a file and store it somewhere for further use. I think you really need to account for that (and other workarounds people have been using for years on the controller/software combo of Maschine).
  3. Related: I need to be able to duplicate a sample file (not just the sampler playing it) in the sample edit view in order to be able to manipulate and chop out bits and stretch them while retaining an unstretched version in the same project.
  4. Sampler instrument (perhaps an alternative to 3): It needs a realtime time stretch/warp feature baked in. The audio instrument doesn't do it because it lacks most of the playback features of the sampler instrument. Extra points for vintage emulation. Look at Koala sampler for how this can be done.
  5. Kontakt: Why on earth wouldn't you let us load patches that we have collected over the years, even if the lacks some of the bells and whistles? I have a collection of old rompler modules and I really like some of the bass sounds in them. They are not CPU heavy at all and I want to use them on another NI product that supposedly has a version of Kontakt in it. Strip away what M+ does not support and give a warning. But please let us decide if we want to live with the tradeoffs of playing patches on a light version of Kontakt. These files load in Ableton Sampler, but they don’t load on Native’s own Maschine+. Please do something about that. (And I get that you don’t want to overburden the hardware, so just add a RAM meter next to the CPU meter and put it in users’ hands.)
  6. Chord mode: It's a great feature but why on earth wouldn't you make it possible for users to make their own chord sets and load them into the Maschine? It's not even something that you're selling, so there's really no reason to add the ability to let users add their own chords.

That's it for the moment. Like I said, I love the hardware, and power wise it suits me fine. With that being said: I think it's also wise from a business perspective to strengthen Maschine’s sampling and sample manipulation capabilities as that is generally an area that is not as CPU heavy as playing a lot of synths. Look at what Roland has done with the SP 404 MK2 that is running on a toaster CPU. I bet Maschine could match that if they wanted to.

Generally, and I have said that elsewhere already, the Maschine+ feels a bit like an iPad would feel if Apple only let us consume their own services and apps. No Netflix and MS Word, but you can bring your own movies through the Video app, but only play them back in 480p, and you can also do word processing, but only in Pages and it doesn't support files made with iWork '09 or earlier (also you have to convert them on the computer beforehand). Approaches like these are perhaps ok in the inception of new gadgets, but they are a sign of incompetence in devices that are supposed to be mature devices that can be used for more than just fiddling around. You can make as many artist videos as you like, but you won't currently convince me that the M+ falls in the former category.

Ok, that's it for today. Back to my 404 to chop up some stuff...

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  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,249 Expert

    Why not make a tiny mono/stereo plugin that lets users sum stereo signals and play individual channels as mono center sounds.

    You’re welcome to try this:

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,249 Expert

    Sampling/handling: I really need access to my recorded samples from different projects

    To me, Maschine has always been more of a tool to compose, arrange and perform music than one to create or manage an exhaustive sample library. A task for which I’d always prefer to use a computer. But I’m not much of a sampling person.

    However, I share your frustration regarding the limitations of Chords and Arpeggiator.

  • Jean Voyage
    Jean Voyage Member Posts: 33 Helper

    Thanks so much! This at least sort of ticks one box on my wishlist (although I wish this was native since loading user Reaktor Ensembles from the plugin view doesn't work and going through the browser is a bit more tedious).

    About your other post: I think Maschine started out as both with a heavy focus on getting people from their MPC/rompler combos onto the computer. Sampling was part of that focus, but they haven't really done anything with it. Considering that sampling is experiencing a huge revival on Youtube (to be sure, it was never gone, but didn't quite have the platform it has today), I hope that NI start to focus on improving the experience. It starts with the file management and ends with a more modern Sampler instrument. File management is key in my opinion as they still have to come up with workflows for that on an untethered machine that operates like it’s still connected to a computer where file management never is an issue. We need a way to replace the drag and drop/load something from HDD feature set. And we also need to be able to save to that location from projects. Fwiw, I'd be fine with a folder called CRATE on the SD card where I can drop stuff in, get stuff out and use and projects and add to the library with tags. Batch tagging will always work better on the computer and that's fine. But for those single snippets that have been lifted from songs in the process and beg to be used again, an alternative that works with in the box is necessary.

  • tribepop
    tribepop Member Posts: 159 Advisor

    Yeah I really wish there was an internal “utility” plug-in we could use that let you set the incoming signal to mono or set it to mono below a certain frequency ( I use gMonoBass plug-in for setting all of my low end to be mono to avoid phasing issues).

    It would be nice if the sampler and audio devices were just combined as I see no reason why the audio device couldn’t take advantage of the extra features built into the sampler like the compressor, distortion, filter, etc. It would be nice for them to at least do an overhaul of the time stretching option in the sampler. You can totally time stretch and adjust the pitch if needed but it’s kind of in a weird spot and you have to remember to manually adjust the starting BPM. It’d be nice to just select an option on the sampler that time stretched automatically based on your current BPM.

  • Jean Voyage
    Jean Voyage Member Posts: 33 Helper

    Thank you for your input so far!

    I really hope someone from NI would chime in as it seems these things keep cropping up again and again. Probably wishful thinking…

  • nxtseq
    nxtseq Member Posts: 18 Member

    Bumping this as I think it's so weird that stereo to mono still isn't a feature natively on the Maschine, and +100 as a feature request.

  • imagevoice
    imagevoice Member Posts: 24 Member

    Over four months since 1.4 and still no news about future updates 😔

  • Flexi
    Flexi Member Posts: 366 Pro

    Lets not start all this again, otherwise we will end up with "We will be more transparent" which just means nothing posted because nothing is actually happening, or "Join the beta" that nobody I know personally can get access to.

    Right now, no news is good news, it would be very easy for "Maschine dropped like Absynth" to be the actual news, nobody has any idea what Soundwide is going to do, but M+ being made legacy as soon as stocks are sold is very likely in my mind.

  • Jean Voyage
    Jean Voyage Member Posts: 33 Helper

    I actually came up with a new one:

    Sync between computer and standalone library. I know this is a bit tricky but I am seriously bummed out by the fact that my favourites in my Maschine software are not favourites on my standalone unit.

    of course I would use it in standalone more often if it wasn’t so clunky with user samples in the first place…

  • Jean Voyage
    Jean Voyage Member Posts: 33 Helper

    Long story short - I am selling my Plus Retro and will just stick to Ableton.

  • Hamburglar
    Hamburglar Member Posts: 2 Newcomer
    edited November 2023

    What would be really awesome is if in the Maschine software you could send midi notes from the pianoroll in a enabled pattern in a blank sound inside a group to 1 or several sounds in other groups and have it not transmit the midi notation when the pattern is disabled.

    So essentially being able to hit play on a pattern in one group and triggering an instrument on a sound in a different group.

    This would be perfect for realtime jamming and for people who put EZ Drummer etc. on 1 sound in a group enabling them to not have to put an instance of EZ Drummer on every group to save processing power.

    This way it makes it easier to have more control/ a better view over all the different patterns instead of having to put all the patterns on a single group and have to scroll very far down to access the pattern you're looking for.

    Also independent volume control on each Pattern would be helpful for this approuch.



  • strg+v
    strg+v Member Posts: 61 Member

    Ableton 12 is a game change for me:

    It´s generative/transform/fintune... midi-( on the fly) stunts and its "find similar sounds" AI...

    I dont know - its very difficult too find a BENIFIT for expansive HW-BOXES, except this: I live in the dream, i am keeping a RELLY musician (course, i use all the helper-assistant-sugesstion-stuff...) but i keep reaaly muscican.. cause i sample intern in a BOX.... instead to be a creative mouse-kid...

    ABLeton 12 will be a WORKFLOW Speedy-Gonazales for mouse-kids....

    NI over-slept the point for Software V 3++++ So mow, ableton will kill they. Make the best CONTROLLER for for Ableton 12! For me you have lost Your old point (as you where faster 7-clicks vs. 4-times-pushes...)

    It is PAST! YOU over-slept the point, now you will your concept slowly die ) ... (Well some Vinyl and CD-Freaks....will still keeping Fans....)!

  • jolly Dodger
    jolly Dodger Member Posts: 54 Member
    edited November 2023

    Midi Arm on/off.. and yes yes to Kontakt integration

  • theviirus
    theviirus Member Posts: 6 Member

    New owner, loving it. First post.

    1. Allowing the midi "macro" view of a midi sound/preset as a device in plugin view. Currently the midi macro view for external midi devices is in a separate menu than the channel plugin view. This means I have to tab between two views for channels that may be sending midi control to a hardware device and also processing its audio. Allowing for, or creating a "device" for, the macro view to be placed inline with the audio effects on a channel means one less menu to switch between.
    2. Related to 1, "midi fx". Again, hopefully NI pulls through with complete reaktor compatibility... it would be really nice to have stock or custom midi processing devices that can be put in the same view as above. Same behavior as editing an audio effect, but it would be placed before any instrument devices. Having these objects in the same place as audio devices would make navigation easier, allow for faster editing (very important on a menu heavy device), and would allow for easier "step" editing, motion sequencing, or p-locking of these parameters. While there is a dedicated button for the arp settings menu, an arpeggiator midi device would not replace or deprecate that feature. Using multiple arpeggiators in or out of sync on a single channel could even be /interesting/.
    3. Hey have I mentioned reaktor compatibility? Well, yeah I'm still kind of annoyed that I couldn't even get Spring Tank or any of the "compatible" reaktor ensembles to work properly while following all the steps, reverting to v6.4, etc... but this is the one wishlist item related to the Reaktor architecture. Come up with some functionality to allow "drag and drop a sample into the ensemble". Perhaps treating the drag and droppable panel items in Reaktor as "use this button to browse your library for the sample that Maschine will import into this panel element". (note: I'll revisit the reaktor compatibility thing when the supposedly coming soon Maschine update arrives.
    4. An IR loader for convolution reverb. Some basic control of pre-delay, wet/dry mix, "quality", pitch, and decay shape. EQ not necessary as it can be done by the stock Maschine EQ.
    5. Port the Molekular effects to Maschine+. They're all reaktor based and very lightweight. And the more lightweight effects in Maschine+, the better.
    6. A Granular Sample device. Give it heaps of controls and modulation options. Why? Other than wanting to use Travelizer in Maschine+, I recently picked up Straylight and love the granular engine in it. I would love to use a Straylight like device on the Maschine+ and even use it live, but I'm well aware it is a very heavy instrument and not just because of the sample library. A pared down "single layer" version of the granular sample engine in Straylight minus the four effect layers should lighten the CPU load quite a bit.
  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,249 Expert

    @theviirus thanks for sharing your thoughts. That’s a very reasonable and useful wishlist and should be worked into separate feature requests for the development team.

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