Possible to fix low line input gain via software update?

PK The DJ

Time to read the manual 😁

Kaldosh

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142321#Comment_142321

yup doable already, just load your effects on the track you are recording on and there ya go. Just know there is no latency compensation so depending on the plugin you use it might introduce latency

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142333#Comment_142333

Time to read the dictionary to understand the difference between “monitoring” and “recording” 😄

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142337#Comment_142337

to my knowledge, this method allows you to hear the fx on the recorded sample but it will still be recorded in clean, no?

i get that in practice it may sound the same but there are times when i have no use for the original, and only need the effected sample. Or i want the effected loop to be more predictable/repeated as a looped sample would if that makes any sense instead of the variances caused by fx on the audio in real time

PK The DJ

OMG why do you have to question everything? 😮 We do know what we're talking about!

I suggest if you are against reading the manual for some reason, to watch the How To Do Everything In Maschine series of videos from Boris @ Native Instruments. You'll see it's possible to record with FX.

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142344#Comment_142344

because you keep offering suggestions for monitoring with fx and not recording them. So I’m led to believe you don’t understand (which could totally be my fault, hence me trying to re-explain).

i have read the manual and watched that whole series. I’ve been a Maschine user for a long time. Again, everything points to monitoring with fx , not recording

I get that monitoring with fx works fine for people and what I’m suggesting is a non-issue for them personally. Say that then. Trying to convince me something is there when it’s not makes no sense to me

PK The DJ

What I keep offering is a way to do what you want! Other people have said the same thing.

Where did I say the FX are only for monitoring? I didn't. Please stop reading between the lines.

If you're not prepared to take the word of anyone in this thread, or the manual, or Boris, maybe you'll believe this guy. https://maschinetutorials.com/how-to-apply-fx-when-sampling-into-maschine/

Here's more evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6YLXQjfI3Q

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142367#Comment_142367

Your suggestion and what others mentioned is to route a sound’s inputs to Maschine’s hw inputs and put fx on the sound.. i know how to do that and i do appreciate the time to explain, but its not what im looking for

Yes i can record a sample to that same pad. Yes it will monitor and play back through the fx. But it doesn’t record the fx to the resulting wav file though which is what I’m after.

If there’s a method to accomplish this in the manual or tutorials i don’t see it. You and others in the thread have not mentioned one yet. Again if I’m missing something I’d love to know. I know i can resample after the fact, just like i can drag my mouse along a ruler to get a straight automation curve. I came across some other convoluted method involving opening guitar rig and using the recorder in it. Personally I’d prefer a more streamlined way to do it — which is all I’m trying to say

i dont mean to shut people down, and again, i really do appreciate the responses. I am just trying to clarify things that i may not have communicated clearly initially. My apologies if it came across that way

PK The DJ

Damn it, how much evidence do you need? IT'S POSSIBLE!

You're still saying we've not mentioned a method? I give up.

darkwaves

@enz0 said:

But it doesn't record the fx to the resulting wave file which is what I'm after

You simply change the input of the sampler to the output of the pad with the fx. You're no longer recording the input of the external device; you're trying to record the output of the sound slot of maschine.

This is my mic:

I also have the option of setting it as the input of a sound:

Put fx on that sound and then change the input of the sampler:

Use the sound or group; whichever makes the most sense for your setup

enz0

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/142382#Comment_142382

Ok now i feel dumb — forgot you could set the sampler to record a sound/group that is set to receive an ext input. To think that’s all that had to be said after all this back and forth 😂. Thanks so much

tetsuneko

Oh yes, that is indeed a good point. You can use a sound to "bake" an input signal as you see fit, and you can then sample its output. This way, you can alter not only level, but eq/dynamics/fx/etc, all of it.

Still, coming back to the topic "Maschine inputs are low", lets look at the specs of Maschine vs specs of MPC Live

• Maschine line input headroom: +18.6 dBU
• MPC Live line input headroom: +11 dBU

This means that a signal that pushes MPC Live's input meters to 0dBFS after conversion happens 7.6 dBU's EARLIER than in Maschine. If you dont know how to compare dB's, lets just say that 6dB's of difference is already twice as loud. Conversely, this means that MPC live is more accomodating for low dBU consumer-grade devices. However, this also means its input is "less pro". a +11dBU input would be in trouble if you tried to feed it a beefy signal from a pro grade mic pre or outboard rack processor.. those can output over +20dBU's - You'd probably need to use a pad..

Take a look at MPC X specs - input headroom of +20dBU! This is even "more pro". But would mean that you'd need even more gain on an MPC X to get a smartphone output jack to read 0dBFS than on either of the two machines compared earlier.. Maybe it has more gain on tap on its frontend to compensate, don't know, never used an MPC X.. buit if it doesn't, MPC X would have the "lowest inputs" LMAO

I feel like it will be pointless waste of my energy trying to explain the difference of dBU's vs dBFS..

PK The DJ

The 18dB is effectively giving the digital audio system headroom, so it has room to breathe like an analogue system.

-18dBFS Digital aligns to 0dBu analogue, as the metering is scaled differently. With digital 0dB is maximum, with no headroom above that, so an analogue signal coming in at 0dBu will read -18dBFS.

darkwaves

@tetsuneko said:

Oh yes, that is indeed a good point. You can use a sound to "bake" an input signal as you see fit, and you can then sample its output. This way, you can alter not only level, but eq/dynamics/fx/etc, all of it.

Worth noting that you can't do this with the autosampler. I'm not mad. I'm disappointed. lol

PK The DJ

I think it's fair to say that most people using the autosampler would want the original sound though. 😏

As per my earlier comment, even inputting samples normally, the recommended M.O. is to record clean and add FX afterwards.