play Kontakt Factory Library 2 through wind controller Emeo

Uwe303

Maybe you also ask in the EMEO forum too, if there is one or ask the guys there. They can help you to setup the mentioned mode with max velocity. As far as I understand you set it up without an instrument open. Or try to set it up again and try to follow the steps in the videos there can quickly go something wrong.

stephen24

Good suggestion - if it were me I would be getting pretty angry with people who manufacture such an expensive instrument without providing the most basic information about what it actually does.

You need to know what velocity values are being output. Velocity is a value included in every Note message, and was originally intended to indicate how hard you pressed the piano key for that note. For a wind controller, it would be sensible to send a fixed value, but it seems possible that the value your device is sending varies according to how hard you are blowing at the start of the note, affecting the volume of the sound. You could try tonguing the first note to get a sharp attack, and see what effect that has.

If you want to know what's going on, you could use the MIDI monitor built into Kontakt. With no instruments open for editing, click the KSP button top R of the Kontakt window, click Preset/Factory/Utilities/MIDI monitor. Switch off everything except Note On and Velocity. Unfortunately it can display only one MIDI message at a time so you'll have to watch it closely.

Attach your device to the instrument and blow some notes. What velocity value does it say? Does it change with each note? Is it much smaller with the first note?

If this is the cause of the problem, it would be easy to disable this unwanted link between the velocity value and the volume of the sound.

Uwe303

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/123737#Comment_123737

Can you do please do a bit more in one picture, for example, just press and release some keys, then press and release some keys with parallel blowing, and if you do blow differently on pressing different keys. In recent picture it's again a low velocity value and a low CC2 value, Have you also asked EMEO, I wrote them about the CC2 and they where very nice and responded really fast.

Papigraz

Hi Stephen, I did the test you suggested with the kontakt midi monitor. It actually does as you suspected, the first note of the phrase gives a velocity of 3, from the second note the velocity becomes more than 100. What should I do to disable this unwanted link between the velocity value and the volume of the sound.

stephen24

1. Follow Uwe's advice and contact EMEO support and make certain that there is no way of changing it to a fixed velocity output. (You could encourage them to provide this option at their next update). My own WC (Yamaha WX5) does this with a dipswitch.
2. Use another KSP multiscript to stabilise the velocity (Factory/Transform/Change Velocity). Change "Linear" to "Fix", and experiment with different settings of the Fix knob
3. When saving your setup for later, you must Save Multi because what you have done is not part of any individual instrument.
4. You should certainly have some artificial ambience, or the sound will cut off abruptly when you stop blowing. Best done by setting up an auxiliary output channel using the same stereo output as your main channel. View your auxiliary controls by clicking on "AUX" extreme R of instrument header. Some time since I did it myself, so you'll have to get the details of setting up the channel from the manual. I recommend using convolution with a Real Room factory preset. This likewise needs to be saved as a multi.
5. Instal ASIO4ALL if you haven't already done so, or if you don't have an ASIO setting on your sound card. (Almost) eliminates delay between blowing and hearing.
6. If you can get it working to your satisfaction, buy yourself a decent Kontakt-compatible sax. Listen before you buy, and look out for "true legato" articulations. Make a big difference. Bear in mind that you have fixed velocity, and some more sophisticated instruments will probably use velocity to control things other than volume that you might want to use. Read the manual.

Papigraz

Here I am, I wrote to Emeo to submit the problem, they replied that 'Emeo is only compatible with wind controller programs' nothing else. Uwe I did the tests you suggested, I attach the screenshots, but the result looks identical to me. Stephen, when you talk about sax compatible with kompakt what do you mean, do you have any suggestions?

stephen24

Not very helpful. Kontakt is completely versatile and flexible and can do anything that any "wind controller program" can do. (And a lot more).

Get it working to your satisfaction with the resources that you have. If you can't do this you could just buy an "out-of-the-box" WC programme.

If you can learn to love Kontakt as I have tried to show you, there are loads of Kontakt-compatible libraries out there that will give you much better results than the Factory Library which is really just there to get you going. I'm not a sax enthusiast myself, but you could do a search or ask for advice on this forum (best to start a new thread).

Uwe303

I would give that vixed velocity mode from the video a second go, there can go something wrong really easy. Otherwise you would need some tools like midi transformer from cubase (artist, pro), with it you can automatically alter all velocity values of all incoming notes, for exampley, other daws might have similar tools. I'm sure there are also kontakt scripts you could use for that problem.