Maschine+ and Kontakt 7

adic27
adic27 Member Posts: 65 Member

I just purchased an opened box Maschine+ on eBay and then just found out Kontakt and such can't be used in standalone mode! 😭 Do you guys think it's possible this will change in an update or are people just gonna have to wait for a possible M+MK2 or something? Still gonna see how standalone works for now before I decide on returning it or not and hooking my MK3 back up


What's the things that made you upgrade and keep M+? What do you really like about the M+ that made it an easy upgrade, other than being standalone


Thanks

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  • darkwaves
    darkwaves Member Posts: 328 Guru

    IMO, the standalone function is the only reason to look at M+ over a mk3. I mean, sure, it might have different material for the chassis; but it's really just the standalone function as the differentiator.

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 845 Guru

    Look here: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/maschine/production-systems/maschine-plus/sounds/

    Kontakt is built in. OK it's not 7 but it's incorrect to say it can't be used.

  • tetsuneko
    tetsuneko Member Posts: 556 Guru
    edited December 2023

    latest version of Kontakt 6 works, you can load your custom Kontakt 6 patches in standalone (commercial DRM-protected Kontakt Player content is not supported however)

    IIRC there was some talk about getting Kontakt 7 also for M+, but no ETA for such an upgrade yet

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,731 mod
    edited December 2023

    Only K6 for now, K7 in the future? Maybe... maybe not. There's no ETA.

    Please expand and what you mean by: "Kontakt and such can't be used in standalone mode".

    Are you talking about not being able to load all NI Kontakt instruments? 3rd Party Kontakt Instruments? Custom ones? If that's the case a future update with K7 support will not fix it, some instruments simply were never designed to run efficiently on an M+; It will never run NI's entire portfolio of instruments/fx.

  • adic27
    adic27 Member Posts: 65 Member

    How come notifications for responses ar hit or miss for this newer forum?!


    @D-One, I guess your last sentene answered my question. I was hoping I could run K7 inside of M+ completely independent of my laptop, as I would on my laptop. Guess we have to wait for M+MK2? Trying to figure out if it was worth it for $500 off ebay recently or should I return it and stick with my MK3. Haven't tried it yet. How do you like using it standalone, if you have it?

    Thanks

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,237 Expert
    edited January 3

    As most Kontakt libraries use a lot of resources, especially RAM, it will most probably never run on any sort of standalone hardware. It’s simply not intended for such use.

    The standalone functionality is how Maschine as groovebox and performance sampler should always have been IMO. It’s also a great standalone sequencer, but lacks all of the more modern features like probability and conditional triggers (as you know from the software).

    If you like to work with the Maschine internal synths and effects, and enjoy taking it to the living room or outside on the balcony or a lonely island (preferably with a power bank), you’ll love the experience.

    Unfortunately, it’s not 100% standalone as you need the computer for a couple of tasks such as organizing your user library, preparing synth presets with NKS mappings and tagging content.

  • adic27
    adic27 Member Posts: 65 Member

    Well, now I know. Gonna give the + a shot and see how O like it. I think I might keep it

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,731 mod
    edited January 3

    @adic27 said:

    Guess we have to wait for M+MK2?

    A standalone playing the whole NI instrument catalog will never happen, not even with an eventual M+ MK2. I get the impression you might be looking for a Kontakt box? That's definitely not what M+ is.


    How do you like using it standalone, if you have it?

    It's the same as an MK3+Computer but slower, with a much more limited selection of instruments/fx, tons of other feature limitations, file management limitations, etc... with the advantage of not needing a laptop attached. If you're in the camp where having a computer around is distracting, or you work with computers all day and don't want to use one to make music then the M+ can be great, otherwise I don't see much point, then again.. I am not it's target audience so my opinion doesn't matter much.

  • djadidai
    djadidai Member Posts: 378 Pro
    edited January 3

    It’s a very powerful and proficient music making instrument! It’s powered with massive, prism, fm8, monark, poly synth, bass synth, drum synths to create your own drums, of course it doesn’t have the top plugins as can be used on a computer, but it has phasis and raum on top of all internal effects that are more than good enough. If one can’t create music on this thing it’s what the user lacks in music making skills rather than what it’ll the unit lacks in features or functions.


    it’s a fantastic piece of gear! Enjoy!

  • countrymetalman
    countrymetalman Member Posts: 5 Member

    The best way how to get some good Kontakt multisampled instruments to Maschine+ across the styles and types is buying more selected NI Expansions, which include Kontakt instruments. You can get all types of Kontakt Scarbee E-pianos, Accoustic and Electric Bass guitar, Accoustic pianos, guitars, B3/Vox/Farfisa type organs, sax, trumpet, violin, flutes, choirs, strings, accordion, middle-east and folk instruments etc. Analog synths (pads, leads, bass, FX) are included in Kontakt 2 library for Maschine (over 220 multisampled sounds). All these sounds are editable via Maschine+ Sound edit pages, add free NI and other vendor effect's units and can be saved as user instruments/group/project direct in Maschine+ without computer version of Maschine and Kontakt.

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,731 mod
    edited January 3

    "NI Expansions, which include Kontakt instruments." is quite the stretch, it might give users the impression expansions came with actual Kontakt instruments, but they do not.

    They might come with a few Maschine "Sounds", (usually not many) which are just multi-sample Sampler patches, simplified versions of the original instrument that was sampled to make it, they might came from K instruments or anything else 3rd party or HW-based. I'm only adding this note because this might be confusing to someone like Op who doesn't own an M+ yet.

  • MoodyB
    MoodyB Member Posts: 2 Newcomer

    Apologies for quoting an old post, but would this mean I could save a user patch / kit from Wave Alchemys' Revolution, Drumvolution or Triaz & be able to use it with Maschine+, or would that not work because the patch is made from a commercial product?

    ( I recently bought a Mk3 & I'm considering switching over to a Plus, so I'm still slowly working out what works and what doesn't )

  • tetsuneko
    tetsuneko Member Posts: 556 Guru

    If Kontakt 6 allows you to save a preset "with samples", then chances are it will also work on Maschine+ standalone

  • MoodyB
    MoodyB Member Posts: 2 Newcomer

    Ok. Thanks for the reply.

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