Does the NI Forum Community Culture need a change?
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@D-One wrote:
Quoting back and forth is exactly what escalates things when dealing with some people. I quote once, if it goes south I try to reply no further, if it goes really badly then I never quote that person ever again unless have to due to Moderation. If we pick who we talk to in real life and who to avoid the same applies online IMO.
This doesn't mean ignore people you disagree with, I disagree often with some of my best friends IRL, but if you think the person is a jerk ignore him/her, for your own sanity and the rest of us reading.
This looks most reasonable, and with limited resources the most 'cost'-effective approach. Still, it's sometimes diffcult to not register a train-wreck happening right in front of you. :)
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I honestly have more important things to worry about in my life than marking some random's response as an answer so they farm a point to work towards an imaginary title on a forum.
Agreed. From my point of view if I help someone that's great, if they post a reply saying "That worked, thanks" it's a bonus.
-- Mike
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We are discussing something here. Yet you come and change the subject to complains.
By all means you have the right to complain but you don't have any right to invade here and enforce it to the rest of us.
I don't like getting constant notifications for matters i do not want and i do not choose to discuss.
You are very welcome to participate on the specific subject, otherwise make your own forum thread, "Complains against NI" or whatever, and talk there as long as you like.
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In a very inelegant way perhaps... personally i find that style of writing arrogant, shortsighted and egoistic. A very "capitalistic" way of thinking ("hey, i don't care", "hey, i do not owe", "me, me, me and my money" etc etc.) which manner is extremely obnoxious for the average Southern European or the average Scandinavian (and not only). But hey, no judgement. As he speaks his mind i also do so! ;-)
It is not that he is wrong (in his last argument) of course. It is a fact that we have a problematic development by Native Instruments, mostly on Mac and that the Internet is full of music sites where users complaining about this.
However his first argument is very wrong. We are not trying to "change people here". We are trying to establish a commonly accepted forum behavior. This can be done by good will among some, but for the rest, it requires a "law enforcement" by some rules. As in real life. This is neither "hilarious", neither "ignorant". It is the right thing to do, everywhere.
Nobody cares to change people. People can only change by themselves. Every one with the slightest degree of intelligence knows that. But we care a lot for our peace of mind and for constructive participation instead of endless (and many times, absolutely pointless) complains.
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Once again some users come to say what they think is related to how people behave here in the forum and they are told they don’t belong here just because someone else don’t think it’s related…
Sorry Sunborn, you often say you don’t understand how what you say is perceived by others…well …as you feel free to to express your opinion attacking others, I will feel free too:
You make accusations of arrogance, shortseeing and egoism in a post where you sound arrogant, shortsighted and egoist from A to Z.
Saying they are changing the subject, they are “invading” and “enforcing” while they have all the right to express here what they think as anybody else, they are disturbing you with notifications you do not want (btw: you said this many times. What about simply not activating them?), where they can talk or not, stating what is “obnoxious for the average Southern European or the average Scandinavian”, saying what they say is very wrong just because is not what you think, that what is being done here must be done among some while the others must be law enforced and policed by these few (self?) enlightened elected, what is the right thing to do…and once again elevate yourself between the few ones with the “slightest degree of intelligence”…
Well…to me, all of this sounds more “arrogant, shortsighted and egoist” than someone thinking the forum culture is also dictated by the company behaviors.
I try to tell you this because of my premise (“You often say you don’t understand how what you say is perceived by others”), but since I know it’s not easy to digest someone telling you things like this (it would not be easy for anyone), I’m afraid it won’t be taken in a positive way…but maybe later, in a larger picture, you’ll partially see how writing things like these can be perceived.
Yes…I must definitely abandon this thread…
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Again, you fail to see the difference in the way of expression and you put us all in the same "basket"... sorry, but this is no equality, it is homogenization. And your examples are just random phrases. If you cut them from their full context, you are twisting their meaning. What you are doing can summarized under this famous quote:
“There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people.”
Thomas Jefferson (paraphrasing Aristotle).
We may still agree in one thing: I also must definitely abandon this thread because i got bored from the constant repetition of the same patterns and i got nervous too, and i really don't want more dramas!
I will end with a very old and wise Greek proverb:
"Where many roosters crow, it never dawns"
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...Admins, it's almost a year waiting for this "unfollow thread" option! It is possible to be done, and easily. And it will solve a lot of problems here. :-)
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not worth responding to other than saying this is not worth responding to
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Turn off ALL notifications, close the web browser and walk away. That is the best solution I can find. When things are no longer fun or interesting, why do them...
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I know the world had turned DEI, pronoun-sensitive, so be very careful or risk being cancelled or infuriating a mob of "I'm offended" people. Still, I think we should be able to call a spade a spade.
NI forums was envisaged, implemented and managed by NI employees and should remain so. NI don't have to take it lying down. Set the terms of use and regulate it as required. The rest is just fluff.
Policies cannot please everyone so do what NI deems fit for the benefit of the majority.
If it isn't striking enough, it would appear to me that one particular member have had many issues with the conduct of others and contents. Deal with the member (and future ones) or stand to lose more.
I have no vested interest here. I hope this forum will thrive and Maschine will go on to greater achievements.
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OP meant culture change in terms of moderation... We cant change people with text posts, I'd agree.
Sure, you don't owe a person who helped you fix a problem a click on "this was the answer" if that's so much trouble for ya, just like the person who helped you doesn't owe you help in the first place, in case it was another member. 🤷♂️
If someone already asked your question or had the same issue before you having the correct answer highlighted might save you time, that's one of the goals of the 'answer' system.
If for you the forum is just a way to get your ticket bumped that's fair too I guess... Do as you please.
Yeah but if one posts often enough and just gives generic answers to everything like "try reinstalling" they still will still earn enough occasional likes/insightful to eventually be an "Expert".
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+1,000,000,000,000,000
🤫 They (NI) know the real problems, but will never acknowledge anything said here, let alone doing anything about it.
“Keep the forum users blaming, and fighting each other, while we sit back, and laugh/profit.”
#MaschineGate #MentalGymnastics
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Yeah but if one posts often enough and just gives generic answers to everything like "try reinstalling" they still will still earn enough occasional likes/insightful to eventually be an "Expert".
@D-One yep, agreed. I don't have a clue what the answer is to that, unless people who constantly post that kind of "solution" are told in no uncertain terms to not post it as a generic fix again. That means mods have to read every post and deal with the backlash from people who say "It worked for me back in 2004 so it's a valid solution"
-- Mike
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I agree with D-one in many ways.
Especially with answers that will eventually get you to an Expert.
I know that I entered the Pro league, yet I feel like a Helper, barely...
I have a good amount of experience with Kontakt and Guitar Rig, so that would actually make me a Helper.
But to be an actual expert, you should know the solution for nearly EVERY, if possible, EVERY NI product!
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Best advice ever, thanks a lot :-)
This, should be enough though to achieve some peace of mind 🙏
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