Komplete Kontrol S series MK1 keyboards End Of Life
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Yes, a pricey one (as it was, especially for 88 keys version).
I get it and I did laugh a tiny bit ;)
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But again your comments clearly prove that you don't take other's problems seriously. That runs like a common thread across all postings in this forum.
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I shudder to think how much I've spent on keyboard controllers over the years.
I'd guess I've bought around 20 or so... big & small.. many touting the latest tech of their time...
Maybe $15,000 on keyboard controllers?
Not counting fader-type control surfaces I've bought.. now THAT would add up to a LOT more $$$
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I'm just a traveler who's been down this road many, many times.
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"They need to stay on KK 2.x which will not receive compatibility updates anymore"
You must have missed the part where NI repeated over and over and over that KK2.9.6 is (and will be) fully supported until such time (in the distant future) that it is not.
NI will tell us when this may/or may not occur.
But rest assured - nothing is going to "break", tomorrow or next week or next month or even next year.
Folks need to stop speculating (like they think they work at NI) and stop making this look like it's impending doom that is going to rush in and ruin your workflow tomorrow.
VP
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Could you please point me to the posting where NI stated that KK2.X will be still maintained and supported in the future?
At least I cannot read that out from this official NI announcement:
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I even spotted the crucial paragraph again (at the beginning of this very thread - in the FAQ section above) which clearly says that these old versions - still compatible with MK1 - will NOT be supported anymore:
The current MK1 experience will be “frozen in time”, so the last compatible versions of our software will remain available but unsupported.
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Yeah, “until such time that it will not”. That is VERY precise timeline which, I think, gave all Mk1 owners assurance they so desperately needed.
I believe it when I see compatibility being maintained the first time Mac or Windows update (most likely Mac) will break KK 2.x.
Until then - I reserve my judgment.
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What he said ;)
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It is important to understand what I mean by "supported" and perhaps what you think it means.
The first page of this thread gives the specifics of using KK2.9.6 with your MK1:
"You will still be able to use your MK1 keyboard with Komplete Kontrol 2.9 (or lower), which includes Apple Silicon and VST3 support. However, we will no longer maintain older versions of Komplete Kontrol and cannot guarantee they will be supported by future versions of your computer’s operating system."
The way I read this "support" is like this - your MK1 (and use of KK2.9.6 with it) is good as long as you stay put. You can continue to call us for "support" (on this combo) as long as you "stay put". (and of course we can also help you with your MKI device as long as it is under warranty)
What I am NOT meaning by "support" (which everyone else is quick to assume) is software related. NI is not offering ANY maintenance. NI is not saying KK2.9.6 will get anymore future updates (it won't).
NI has been very clear - if you and your MKI stay put - you should be good for the foreseeable future.
NI also is saying (at least to me) - we are not abandoning you if you have an KK 2.9.6 issue - until such time that they specifically state "You cannot call us about anything to do with KK2.9.6" - which has not occurred to my knowledge.
They are also saying (to me anyway) that until further notice - any products released by NI - intended for use with Komplete Kontrol (v2 OR v3) - will continue to load and operate just fine - until we specifically tell you Product A or Product B will no longer load in KK 2.96.
Basically - Until KK2.9.6 is no longer available to be downloaded (officially retired) OR NI issues a statement saying it cannot be used in any situation at all - with ANY MK1 or II series board - my assumption can only remain that any MK1 user (AND even any MKII user like me - who has zero intention of using KK3 at this point) is good and my combo (board + KK) is "supported".
I have just as much skin in this KK2.9.6 game as any MK1 user to be frank and it's important for me to know that my MKII continues to be "supported" by KK2.9.6.
VP
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I guess you missed my posting above where I referred to the sentence where NI clearly states that the software is unsupported. What needs to be discussed any longer about that fact? There's nothing to be misunderstood.
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If someone's S-MK1 is currently running under KK 2.9.6 now, it will continue to do so within the "legacy" environment the owner must provide for it.
Pretty much the standard situation for all products that are combo hardware/software... and the practical reality.
The only argument that would hold water to me would be if NI stopped making KK 2.9.6 readily available.
And I am confident that NI will make KK 2.9.6 available for many years to come.
The ongoing availability of KK 2.9.6 = NI providing support for S-Mk1.
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And again - NIs context there (the way I read that) is "software updates" ONLY.
I have no problem with never getting updates on KK2.9.6 - I just need this (well put by NightJar)
"The ongoing availability of KK 2.9.6 = NI providing support for S-Mk1." (And S-MKII in my case)
Exactly.
You can call "support" whatever you want - but as long as my MKII board works with KK2.9.6 - it is "supported" to me. As soon as my board does not work with KK2.9.6 - OR my software investments suddenly cannot be loaded in KK2.9.6 OR KK2.96 is finally withdrawn due to official retirement - then and only then - am I truly "unsupported."
VP
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"I believe it when I see compatibility being maintained the first time Mac or Windows update (most likely Mac) will break KK 2.x"
That a non-starter and NI has already stated as much. If you want your MKI/KK2.96 to remain supported (AKA working normally together) you must stay put. That means no software updates, no OS changes - no nothing - it's all on you to ensure you have a "supported" environment available and if you do - nothing should change.
However - you are bang on if you push it - there are no software updates coming to KK2.96. to shield it from possible OS or other issues. Your call if you want to go down that road.
VP
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I don't want to put up a fight. You may rely on your own interpretations; I will keep on reading the announcements very carefully and I will take my own conclusions. And this is simply different from your perception. Let's leave it at that.
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