Maschine plus upgrades (ableton push 3 released)

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  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,325 Guru
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/75642#Comment_75642

    It's not about now, it's about later. And new strategies to actually get there vs repeating old mistakes.

  • wzdm.85
    wzdm.85 Member Posts: 67 Helper
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/75646#Comment_75646

    I'm just talking from the standpoint of a current Maschine Plus owner. I personally don't want or need new hardware. If the current hardware needs to use more of its processing power to handle upgrades to the UI, sequencing and sampling capabilities, I would rather see NI strip back the Maschine software within it to make that happen. The synths are so CPU heavy and it sucks editing them on M+ anyways. I never use them and I've never had any issues with CPU load.

    Especially if NI developed a standalone Komplete keyboard 🛸

  • DollarYK
    DollarYK Member Posts: 5 Member

    The more powerful and feature rich the device becomes, the more restrictive it will be because of lack of big screen, keyboard or mouse.


    This sounds self-contradictory.


    I agree that M+ is in a sense actually preserving good balance between features and restrictions.


    I also have Akai Force but I feel t’s workflow is too much dependent on touch screen to cope with its complexity as a whole.

    I prefer much more to just turn knobs, hit buttons, then slam those pads.


    It will be nice if M+ have good update but still please keep things simple.

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,147 Expert

    Especially if NI developed a standalone Komplete keyboard 

    I guess, it would be way more sound thing to do, comparing to iPad "pluging" dreams....

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,325 Guru
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/75651#Comment_75651

    Glad to read your post as a bridge to common ground. We share some feelings regarding the limitations of the current approach of putting more processing power into these devices and expecting the user experience of the hardware to "keep up" with the creative options and complexities.

    I want to let the software to "run free" and not be held back by the limits of a particular control surface.

    I want control surfaces to be "dumber" and not try to keep up with all aspects of the software.

    Both the desktop experience and the "highly-portable" experience would evolve much faster with this approach.

  • Percivale
    Percivale Member Posts: 235 Pro
    edited June 2023

    Since we have USB ports, do you think we can update Maschine+ and make it work with a mouse and get that GUI for notes editing, grouping of notes and drawing of modulation and velocity curves etc. with the existing hardware?

  • Maciej Repetowski
    Maciej Repetowski Member Posts: 708 Guru
    edited June 2023
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/75588#Comment_75588

    iCult? You are really nice. We could really avoid derogatory remarks about users of other platforms on this forum, perhaps you could contain yourself somehow?

  • djadidai
    djadidai Member Posts: 570 Pro

    Watch out boys, be kind :)

  • Maciej Repetowski
    Maciej Repetowski Member Posts: 708 Guru
    edited June 2023
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/75615#Comment_75615

    And PC fans will always be condescending, sarcastic and rude, as they are now? We might be on a train to the moon, but at least we are not on a hate train… 😉

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,147 Expert

    You are right, but Apple user(s) brought iPad to thread about Maschine+ and Pusch 3....

    And could not stop and stop.

  • Maciej Repetowski
    Maciej Repetowski Member Posts: 708 Guru
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/75825#Comment_75825

    Yes, I agree with you on that. Enough said about iPad, for sure.

    But everything can be said without unnecessary derogatory remarks, that’s my point here.

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,325 Guru
    edited June 2023

    Just to emphasize:

    My advocacy for iPad is NOT about Apple or even the iPad.

    It is really about fundamental concepts in how to best achieve friction-free & flexible & symbiotic music production rigs (large and small) that embrace where the future is going.

    Old approaches are not gonna get there.

    My quest has bonafides...

    My first that I built DIY in 1975:

    paipdrset01.jpg


  • myalteredsoul
    myalteredsoul Member Posts: 263 Pro
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74928#Comment_74928

    around two and a half hours while using ableton. I’ve hit over 3 and a half (I just say over cause there was still battery left when the plane landed), just using it to browse the internet, watch Netflix, and do work.

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,147 Expert
    edited June 2023

    It is really about fundamental concepts in how to best achieve friction-free & flexible & symbiotic music production rigs (large and small) that embrace where the future is going.

    Once, when there will be universal standardized thing, that almost everyone worldwide has.... Than yes, it could work fine.

    But, there is not such a product, so ..... no, way. ;-)

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,325 Guru
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/75872#Comment_75872

    The market will not wait for a worldwide, universal standardized thing. Some company bring all the smart pieces together and sell lots of stuff to happy, creative people.

    Another key piece of the puzzle to help an iPad behave well when part of a "highly-portable" music performance/creation rigs is Focus... this allows for convenient settings to control a users "isolation" from notification & communication distractions.

    And coming up in this fall for macOS is "Game Mode". A system setting prioritizing performance for graphics and audio latency. This mode likely great for music work too... and bringing it to iPadOS another step in the right direction for optimal use in "highly-portable" music rig.

    Things are lining up nicely to successfully pull off a whole new approach.

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