Choir Omnia.Velocity issue.

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Marcato65
Marcato65 Member Posts: 11 Member
edited October 2024 in Kontakt

When using the sequencer engine in Choir Omnia, I'm really struggling to get an even velocity across the vowels. I've tied fixing the velocity on the KK keyboard but this has no effect. no matter how I set things up, some phrases will just play either much louder or quieter than the previous phrase. This is really noticeable as the velocity changes are huge. There's no specific phrases that are naturally louder or softer. Different every time, but always uneven. I only have this issue with Choir Omnia.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks in advance.

Mark

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  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,941 admin

    Could ytou give more specifics? Is it happening in your DAW? In standalone? Velocity in this instrument does not really affect voume, this is handled by the big circle in the middle of the instrument that is automatically assigned to the modwheel:

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  • Marcato65
    Marcato65 Member Posts: 11 Member

    Hi. Thanks for your response. It only happens within the DAW (Cubase) In stand-alone mode or played through Kontakt 8, it's fine. When playing the parts in Cubase, the velocity control seems to be lost to a degree. It's not as bad with high volume and high velocity , but for very quiet movements, certain vowels and phrases are much louder than the preceding ones, making difficult to get a natural smooth flow between phrases. Some phrases only sound when the key is hit a little harder, but then the phrase is too harsh and louder than the previous phrase. Hope this makes sense. lol

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,941 admin
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/187197#Comment_187197

    Thanks for clarification. Can you check the automation on these Kontakt/Omni tracks? Again, I don't think velocity has an influence on volume, the volume seems to be handled my modwheel. Can you reproduce the issue without the keyboard connected? The track will still react to the modwheel if you move it.

  • Faabro
    Faabro Member Posts: 3 Member

    Hello,

    well I had the same problem… and I'm asking why they (Strezov-NI) do not explain that the velocity curve response I can choose in the "gear" icon do not affect volume… after that we have years and years of tradition in which velocity=volume. And if you spend money for a 3D graphic that turns when I used modwheel to control volume on your 3D turning nebula please put a little alien with a sign: VELOCITY=MOD and MOD=VELOCITY. 👽️

  • stephen24
    stephen24 Member Posts: 470 Pro

    Velocity has never been =volume. It's a MIDI message, actually part of the note-on message, and its value therefore can only be assigned at the beginning of a note, i.e. it is not continuously controllable.

    For a percussion-type instrument such as a piano, drum or pizzicato strings, where loudness is determined once and for all when a note is played, it is usually assigned to volume. For most other instruments, wind, voice etc, where volume may change in the middle of a note, it is usually assigned to some other one-off attribute, such as attack time or choice of sample, and loudness is controlled by a continuous controller, usually cc#7 (volume) or cc##1 (modulation).

    (A common misconception)

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