TP3 and S5 and external audio interface - how to make work CUE VOL, CUE MIX, MAIN OUT VOL,.. knobs

Sûlherokhh · September 2024

Can you check in the crossfader section of the GUI if the monitor controls are greyed out?

If you have a MIDI controller you can add monitor assignments via controller manager. That would work (if the controls are not greyed out because of an NI all in one controller).

Kubrak · September 2024

Controls are not greyed, if S5 is not selected as audiointerface (which is my case).

And would it be possible to map those S5 knobs that do not work if other audiointerface is used?

Sûlherokhh · September 2024

Of course it should work. I'll unpack my S5 and cook up a working Mixer.qml file for you to test (TP 4.0.2, right?).

P.S. I know it should work because i don't ever use the S5 audio interface but instead either my xone:96 or Kontrol Audio 2 Mk2.

Kubrak · September 2024

Sûlherokhh

I have TP 3.11.1 17, I have not moved to TP4 yet. I wonder, what I do wrongly, that it does not work for me….

Would be great if it works. Also AUX on/off button and AUX vol (AUX+LOOP rotary).

Thanks a lot for your time.

Sûlherokhh · September 2024

I am not sure yet how to use the AUX button, although i have found a reference to it. Would need some testing. Here is the complete HW controls name list.

s5.
  left.browse
  left.back
  left.display.buttons.1
  left.display.buttons.2
  left.display.buttons.3
  left.display.buttons.4
  left.display.buttons.5
  left.display.buttons.6
  left.display.buttons.7
  left.display.buttons.8
  left.hotcue
  left.freeze
  left.remix
  left.deck
  left.touchstrip
  left.touchstrip.leds
  left.encoder
  left.loop.led
  right.browse
  right.back
  right.display.buttons.1
  right.display.buttons.2
  right.display.buttons.3
  right.display.buttons.4
  right.display.buttons.5
  right.display.buttons.6
  right.display.buttons.7
  right.display.buttons.8
  right.hotcue
  right.freeze
  right.remix
  right.deck
  right.touchstrip
  right.touchstrip.leds
  right.encoder
  right.loop.led
  mixer.channels.1.fx.assign.1
  mixer.channels.1.fx.assign.2
  mixer.channels.1.filter_on
  mixer.channels.1.levelmeter
  mixer.channels.2.fx.assign.1
  mixer.channels.2.fx.assign.2
  mixer.channels.2.filter_on
  mixer.channels.2.levelmeter
  mixer.channels.3.fx.assign.1
  mixer.channels.3.fx.assign.2
  mixer.channels.3.filter_on
  mixer.channels.3.levelmeter
  mixer.channels.4.fx.assign.1
  mixer.channels.4.fx.assign.2
  mixer.channels.4.filter_on
  mixer.channels.4.levelmeter 
  mixer.snap
  mixer.quant
  mixer.tempo
  mixer.cue.volume
  mixer.cue.mix
  mixer.clip.left
  mixer.clip.right

These ones need some more love:

FX knobs

EQ and filter knobs     mixer Channel faders    Crossfader      traktor_is_master       aux_enabled     line_gain       mic_gain

Sûlherokhh · September 2024

@Kubrak

It was a typo.

This:

Wire { from: "%surface%.cue.volume"; to: DirectPropertyAdapter { path: "app.traktor.mixer.cue.volume"} }
Wire { from: "%surface%.cue.mix"; to: DirectPropertyAdapter { path: "app.traktor.mixer.cue.mix"} }

has to be this:

Wire { from: "%surface%.mixer.cue.volume"; to: DirectPropertyAdapter { path: "app.traktor.mixer.cue.volume"} }
Wire { from: "%surface%.mixer.cue.mix"; to: DirectPropertyAdapter { path: "app.traktor.mixer.cue.mix"} }

Have not yet found the right string to reference the Aux button.

Kubrak · September 2024

Sûlherokhh

Great!!! I will try it tomorrow. Thanks a lot.

AUX button would be fine, but if it is too much work for you, just skip it, if it is not also interesting for you. I have microphone with the switch, so using this one I can put it on/off. But still it would be better if AUX button works as it should.

Kubrak · September 2024

Sûlherokhh

So, it works on my S5.

CUE Mix works just perfect.

CUE Vol works, but it is very sensitive to knob movements, the range starts say 11:30 position and ends 12:30. So it is tiny movement around knob top position (12:00). At least my rottary sends MIDI only within this tiny knob range of movement.

Does your S5 behave the same or is it just mine S5? It is good as is, I am just curious, if something is different /defective on my S5, or it is the same on all ones.

Anyway, thanks a lot!!!

Sûlherokhh · September 2024

Both my software knobs start at 7:00 and go to 5:00, just like the physical knobs, perfectly correlated. And it should, since it uses the DirectPropertyAdapter.

Edit: Sending a signal in all positions, as can be seen at the top of my Traktor GUI.

Kubrak · September 2024

OK, my knob behaves differently.

My CUE Vol knob sends MIDI just in very narrow range of knob movement. But data sent must cover the whole value range as virtual volume knob in TP3 does move from min to max. So it does not seem the physical knob is defective. Maybe some kind of callibration or whatever….

I do not know, if I have latest firmware, maybe not. I have to check.

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Sûlherokhh

EDIT: So it has been wrong callibration of CUE Vol knob. I have recallibrated mixer knobs and now the both knobs work in TP3 as they should.

The remaining "issues":

Physical MAIN Vol does not change MAIN Vol in TP3. (No MIDI is received, so probably no way to make it work)
Physical AUX on/off button does not change anything in TP3. (MIDI is received, so there is the hope…) By default it is on in TP3, so AUX is usable as it is in TP3.
Physical AUX+LOOP rottary (the both left and right deck) does not change AUX Vol in TP3. The virtual AUX Vol in TP3 does not move. (MIDI is received, so it might be doable)

Kubrak · November 2024

Sûlherokhh

Would you be so kind as to help me with those last two things concerning S5 and external audio interface?

Physical AUX on/off button does not change anything in TP3. (MIDI is received, so there is the hope…) By default it is on in TP3, so AUX is usable as it is in TP3 with external audio interface.
Physical AUX+LOOP rottary (the both left and right deck) does not change AUX Vol in TP3. The virtual AUX Vol in TP3 does not move. (MIDI is received, so it might be doable) And AUX Vol is set to 0 when TP starts, so I have to set it always manualy in TP3 interface.

Sûlherokhh · November 2024

I haven't found any code among the S5 files that addresses the AUX mode of the controller (including the encoder workings and the LED feedback on the touchstrips). This is probably firmware related, much like entering and leaving MIDI mode.

If you can somehow capture and send the MIDI signals and return them via loopMIDI to a separate MIDI mapping, you could assign them to any mappable Traktor control element, including the GUI's AUX knob. This is @Stevan 's specialty. Hopefully he has got an S5 to make an assessment.

Kubrak · November 2024

Thanks for info.

Stevan · November 2024

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/191101#Comment_191101

Can you link one of Global MIDI Buttons to the AUX button via the QML? Similar to what we did on my S4 Mk3 jog fx QML. That should work.

Otherwise cannot say more without testing the unit. Never had an S5 since I have S8.

Sûlherokhh · November 2024

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/191197#Comment_191197

I'll have another go at the S5, once i am finished with my current loop capture mode for the S4. May take a bit.

TP3 and S5 and external audio interface - how to make work CUE VOL, CUE MIX, MAIN OUT VOL,.. knobs

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