How access my libraries on Windows 7 ?

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  • zimmerxyz
    zimmerxyz Member Posts: 31 Member

    Its a moral and legal imperative for NI to make way to at least activate our ni and 3rd party libraries. Otherwise you are taking away our libraries.

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,093 Expert

    focusing their time, talent and budgets on things that actually matter.

    Yes, you are right. One should not be forced to seek for solution to use SW. It should just work. And that is what matters. If it works or not.

    One may use WinXP without any problems, even older Windows. The same with MS Office 2000. Even Borland C++, Borland Pascal would probably run on current computers. At least it did about 10 years ago. Client needed small update.

    There is nothing absurd to require to be able to open 10, 15 years' old project or use legacy plugins.

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 3,075 Expert
    edited August 2024

    You are 100% correct. You have the right to try to "open" whatever you want - when you want. If it opens and you can use it - great.

    But no vendor is required to "support" you in that quest once a product is declared retired.

    And I want to be clear - when I say "support" I am not talking the ability to call the helpdesk or post a question in a forum like this about a product that is 14 years old.

    I am talking the sustained effort (and expense) of correctly supporting (and maintaining) any FULL systems that backed that product in the distant past - including those systems that provide authorization.

    Remember what you bought here - nothing but a "right" to run the software for a (usually) limited timeframe. Nowhere in any EULA from any company does it guarantee any rights to run your "retired" thing to the end of time. If it does - good on ya.

    This is tired conversation boys. 4 pages and not a peep from NI on this.

    Good luck.

    VP

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 3,075 Expert
    edited August 2024

    I agree that you should be able to activate. But until that comes to pass - there is no point riffing on it.

    Also - no one is "taking away" your libraries. I am running your libraries right here - right now - on Windows 10 and in Kontakt 7 with no issues whatsoever.

    Q: Are you actually interested in using your software - or just arguing about something that has zero chance of ever changing?

    VP

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,093 Expert

    @Vocalpoint

    Even current EULA has:

    "3.2 Native Instruments grants Licensee the non-exclusive right without restrictions in time or place to use the Products. Native Instruments is not obliged to cede the software underlying source code, including the associated development documentation."

    and

    "3.5 Licensee is not authorized to modify the software, unless it is to preserve or restore the agreed functions of the software purchased."

    It implies, that user may modify SW to make it work as intended. So, removing copy protection is allowed in this case. Also, it is not in EULA, but usually in copyright law (or other laws are applied), that Licencee has right to get covered his expenses to do that, by Licencer,

    and about right for cover customer damage:

    " 9 Damages

    1. We are solely liable for damages regardless of legal reason, in particular from impossibility, arrears, defective or incorrect delivery, breach of contract, breach of duties during contract negotiations, or for tortious acts pursuant to the regulations of this § 9. For the rest, any liability for damages is excluded."

    https://www.native-instruments.com/en/company/legal-information/end-user-license-agreement/

    https://www.native-instruments.com/en/company/legal-information/terms-and-conditions/terms-and-conditions-gmbh/

    I am lazy to seek old EULA, but for sure it was even more explicit about right of licencee to get NI SW authorised.

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 3,075 Expert
    edited August 2024

    Again tired conversation. No one cares unless you are going to do something about it.

    Like the OP - instead of arguing about something that will never happen - maybe time to relax? Maybe make some music with your NI stuff?

    VP

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,093 Expert

    That is the problem, that NI does not care….. Sooner, or later they will hit.

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 3,075 Expert

    I just hope they can rid themselves of all this technical debt and then consider hiring more support staff to help navigate the product lines that actually matter into the future.

    VP

  • zimmerxyz
    zimmerxyz Member Posts: 31 Member

    @VP

    "tired conversation" "no one cares" "make some music" - what is this here? Help? Support? They are deriding us! They should get the issue to the folks who can fix it.

    Native Instruments, the company that started it all, that was great and probably still is: Make Access 1 run again!

  • Jojo123
    Jojo123 Member Posts: 373 Pro

    Like the OP - instead of arguing about something that will never happen

    Prognosticating again ? How do you know unless you've got inside knowledge, or you're just stirring the pot yet again with the same old same old. The only thing tired about this conversation is hearing your mantra over and over again and for the time you spend doing it, you might want to take a piece of your own advice and go and make some music, (that is if you can) instead of waving your big stick all through this forum.

    @Kubrak thanks for putting up that snippet.

  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Customer Care Posts: 13,389 mod
    Answer ✓

    Microsoft discontinued support for Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. On this date, the operating system reached its end of life (EOL), meaning that Microsoft no longer provided security updates, technical support, or bug fixes for it. Extended Security Updates (ESU) were available for some business users until January 2023, but for most users, January 2020 marked the official end. Windows 8 was introduced on October 26, 2012. Windows 10 was introduced on July 29, 2015.

    Windows 7 development stopped in 2012, it is not supported in any way by Microsoft.

    Native Access 1.14 is still available as a workaround but it's no longer developed and does not support the latest products. It will also be deactivated next year.

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,093 Expert

    @Jeremy_NI The thing is that:

    1. Native Access 1.14 has stopped working with NI servers some time ago. But there is some sort of workaround.
    2. How will NI deliver its SW authorisation on Win7 after deactivation of NA1?

  • mdiemer
    mdiemer Member Posts: 62 Member

    So, I am still using Windows 7, and kontakt 6.7. Still have NA 1.something. I keep this computer offline by default. It is a frozen system, in other words. Everything works: Kontakt, EW Play, Ilok (and associated installers for those libraries, like EW-IC, Vienna Assistant, etc). I have what I need for my sound libraries. I am only a hobbyist and am happy with what I have, it can work for me until I die, or get senile or something.

    Now, does all this stuff about NA 1 being retired mean that, on my frozen system, Kontakt and my associated libraries will not work anymore? If that is the case, I will replace them with comparable libraries that are not from NI. And never buy another library that uses Kontakt. Is that what NI (or whoever they are now in the corporate "let's suck up as much as we can, and then kill the products when they stop making the big money we after game"), wants? Like, what Gibson did to Cakewalk?

    East West stuff still works on my machine. So does Vienna's. Why can they do it, but not NI?

  • Vocalpoint
    Vocalpoint Member Posts: 3,075 Expert
    edited August 2024

    If your system is 100% working, "frozen" and offline - you are good to go.

    The retirement and dismantling of NA v1 in early 2025 will not effect anything.

    That said - just remember that retired means retired. And frozen/offline means - stay frozen and stay offline.

    If something does go south on that machine - next week or next year - there will be no means of reviving that install.

    VP

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