Output Essential Engines bundle content ?

Sunborn

@insubordin8

The Output Essential Engines bundle, available through Native Instruments, includes seven of Output’s core virtual instruments: Exhale, Analog Brass and Winds, Analog Strings, Substance, Rev, Signal, and Rev X-Loops.

However, this bundle does not include any expansion packs. The product listing specifies only the main instruments and installer files with manuals, with no mention of expansions.

Thus also the name "Essential" bundle was given (essential = basic).

If you're interested in expansion packs, Output offers other bundles that include them.

For example, the Output Instruments Bundle includes 7 instruments and 18 expansions, while the FX Bundle offers 3 FX engines and 5 expansions. Additionally, the Output Complete Bundle encompasses all of Output's non-subscription engines, effects, and expansions.

LostInFoundation

Unluckily, essentials also = absolutely necessary, fundamental, not only “basic”.

@insubordin8 some of us are trying to tell you we think that the answer is NO…

Sunborn

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/228073#Comment_228073

The words are different, the definition is different, but the meaning is the same… anything that it is necessary is basic too and anything basic is necessary (for things to work).

LostInFoundation

We don’t agree… basic version of a car, i.e., is not necessary ☺️

And something necessary could be something you can’t do without… like a degree necessary to access something…which is not basic at all

The meaning is not the same

MLARS

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/227979#Comment_227979

Obviously disagree.

"Working" is not the same as keeping a product up to date or staying competitive in this eco system.

Arturia for instance could have made their products look 10 years old, go lazy but they release updated versions of their instruments, some even as free updates (like Pigments 6), some as new products (sequel of a previous synth model). They have killer presentation for modern computers and modern displays.

Of course Output can have their own software manager too, the argument is that if you install via Native Access you still after almost a decade cannot install the Output sample expansions via Native Access. Yes, support both - but weakened support on Native Access is just bad.

You are perfectly fine in working how you want, if you want old software that is up to you, but that is not really the argument here and dont think you speak for all users.

The argument is some companies release and update their products constantly - and some just don't and their product portfolio stagnates and feel dull. That is the issue with the Ouput Kontakt libraries, sometime these libraries seems to be sold around the same price as the release even though many were released around a decade ago (reminder that Signal was released 2015).

It is merely warning that consumers are buying very old products with weak support.

If you want things to improve ask for it, and avoid buying old non updated products.

Vocalpoint

"That is the issue with the Output Kontakt libraries, sometime these libraries seems to be sold around the same price as the release even though many were released around a decade ago (reminder that Signal was released 2015)"

To me anyway - Output made it very clear - that they have now moved on from these libraries. This direction was the essence of an email I received from their CEO in October of 2024 - titled "The New Output"

Their primary focus now is squarely on Arcade and now Co-Producer. Keeping these old dogs around for those that are still interested - is just gravy for them.

I look at these like the "Massive-Battery-Reaktor" players of the Output world. Serviceable and still for sale - but in permanent maintenance mode.

I would not expect any efforts to be mounted to make them any better than they already are.

VP

LostInFoundation

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/228118#Comment_228118

I can agree with some of your points.

About our divergence about “need of updates”, I do agree with you… but when we speak about Synths. For libraries of sampled instruments, I see it slightly differently. To each his own 👍🏼

And… obviously I don’t speak for all users (even only having you writing what you wrote means someone sees things differently ☺️). But I wrote what I wrote exactly to show others see things differently from what you wrote.

As I don’t speak for all users, you also don’t ☺️

LostInFoundation

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/228122#Comment_228122

They also tried the “studio furniture” and monitor speakers road.

Quite cool things (specially the Frontiers monitors, which I’m still visually in love with), but definitely too expensive