what can i do as far as just using multiple Native Plug-ins with x1, the Plus, and s49 mk2 and 3?
i just wanna know if it can be done
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Yes, you can run an instance of each Maschine 2, Ableton and Traktor in standalone, and then use Ableton Link on each to sync them, the button is in their title bars, and the Maschine Hardware has it in "Settings" if you're running it without the Maschine 2 SW. You can also open an instance of Maschine as a VST in Ableton, but you will need to use your mouse or [Windows Key] + [Tab] to adjust focus to that instance or the standalone, vice versa. Make sure you go to File/Preferences/Default/Sound/Midi Input Mode and select "Focus". Traktor will work the same.
You can run your external gear through the Maschine+, and plug the M32 in the back USB to control them.
Also, make sure you download the Midi Remote files in NI Support and paste them in Program Data/Ableton/Remote Scripts for both the Kontrol mk3 and The Maschine+, so you can set them up in Ableton as Midi Remotes to control transport/mixer functions. You can find them on the Support page, by typing "Ableton Maschine" in the search bar. Same with Traktor and Maschine!
Also, you can use multiple computers if you want, "Link" will connect with any device on the same network.
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I didn't know you had all those other instruments! In the original thread all you stated was Maschine+, Rig Kontrol (guitar obviously), Kontrol M32 and Kontrol 61 mK3. I didn't realize you had a Micro or Jam either, that's new to the thread. I'm a little confused, are you asking what you should purchase, or do you already own these instruments? Now I'm hearing 49 mK2?!
You don't need to run multiple instances of Ableton, you can "Link" Maschine SW and Traktor SW directly to one instance. If you have Jam, you can run that with Traktor instead, and get the most out of it. M32 will plug into the extra USB slot in Maschine+ so you can play keys on internal instruments live, or the 61mK3 (or 49 mK2, whichever it is?) can plug in there if you choose those either, but I would reserve the 61 for the home studio since it's larger. I guess it doesn't matter?!
You don't have to overkill! ….Keep it simple! The more things you have running, the more you will have to juggle during a live show. If you're using Traktor, do that on one computer, so that your audio card only has to process one application. You don't need to overload your CPU by running a ton of applications! Maschine+ can be used with Ableton on another computer to run samples or FX, and to also insert your external instruments (ie, Guitar). Maschine+ could also be Linked to Traktor alone, and provide the same functionality!
You need to consider what you're planning on doing, and what can be reduced from the live setup, not added!
If your producing content for your live show, use Maschine+ with Ableton to build your stems up at home. Then choose one program and instrument to run live with Traktor and Numark as your DJ rig. I would assume the Maschine+, Numark, M32 and Guitar should be enough for a live performance. Since you can do all the Traktor functions with Numark, while Maschine+ will allow you to use your externals while the tracks are playing. Maschine+ has all the effects your guitar needs, you can prebuild the channels with FX and save the file or Scene for use during the live performance, same with Ableton!
You could also go the other route… Use Maschine+ and Ableton at home to build the stems. Then Jam and Numark alone during live performance. If you want to do live guitar solos, you can do that with Jam as well! Not to mention plugging the guitar into a line input on Numark and use the Numark FX on the channel, while Jam plays stems!
The more things you have going, the more you have to focus on live, and the more chances you will have to mess up your live show will increase! Choose an option, familiarize yourself with that setup (it's a learning curve) and then add to that setup if you need! I have 2 turntables and a four channel mixer. I use 2 channels to control Midi and 2 for the track audio. I'm doing so much with that set up, the only more I could use live is an extra table or device to run samples/loops. Unless you're performing with someone else, I don't see why you need so much extra?! Even then, you're still not going to need all that equipment!
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If you're just using the Maschine+ standalone, with a keyboard and controller plugged into it, then you can only use the software (assuming that's what you mean by plug-ins) that's installed on the Maschine+
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Yes, you can run an instance of each Maschine 2, Ableton and Traktor in standalone, and then use Ableton Link on each to sync them, the button is in their title bars, and the Maschine Hardware has it in "Settings" if you're running it without the Maschine 2 SW. You can also open an instance of Maschine as a VST in Ableton, but you will need to use your mouse or [Windows Key] + [Tab] to adjust focus to that instance or the standalone, vice versa. Make sure you go to File/Preferences/Default/Sound/Midi Input Mode and select "Focus". Traktor will work the same.
You can run your external gear through the Maschine+, and plug the M32 in the back USB to control them.
Also, make sure you download the Midi Remote files in NI Support and paste them in Program Data/Ableton/Remote Scripts for both the Kontrol mk3 and The Maschine+, so you can set them up in Ableton as Midi Remotes to control transport/mixer functions. You can find them on the Support page, by typing "Ableton Maschine" in the search bar. Same with Traktor and Maschine!
Also, you can use multiple computers if you want, "Link" will connect with any device on the same network.
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ok @Maxray very helpful, i guess now the only question is what about my Rig Kontrol 3 guitar pedal and Guitar Rig 7? i read somewhere that i may have to delete the up-to-date controller editor and then go and download a much older version in order to make the pedal work with also just a bit older version of Guitar Rig, which is version 6.1. ids that true? or has someone found out a way to hook up the Rig Kontrol 3 pedal TO Guitar Rig 7 yet?
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I'm not familiar with Rig Kontrol 3 operation, I've never used it! According to this thread it's possible if you download the legacy Controller Editor version 1.7.3 or 1.7.4?!
https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/19470/guitar-rig-7-and-rig-kontrol-3
Though, I do wonder if you get the drivers for the Rig unit downloaded and operational, then plug the Rig unit via midi directly into the Maschine+ or Komplete Kontrol (again you can test if Midi is communicating via the LoopMidi app), if it maybe can control Guitar Rig directly through Maschine SW or Kontrol SW?!
Of course, you still may need to route audio or the pedal inputs, but doubtfully if you're just using it to control midi channels.
The issue that you would be hurdling, is that you would need to use the USB on the back of Maschine+ for the Rig unit vs. the M32, due to not being plugged into the computer (if in standalone), I don't know if that would even work?! Also, it may require you to use it in the SW alone, due to the drivers being on system, unless they could be stored via Maschine+?!
It seems that the people in this thread have more experience with this situation than I, but the important thing you'd need to focus on in general would be midi communications between the devices. Then you could potentially, if they're not already properly mapped to the corresponding Midi channels (CC#) (for example expression, program change, etc.) use the Controller Editor or Komplete Kontrol Editor functions to change the CC# values to match that of the Rig Kontrol, and it be functional in that way?!
Does Rig Kontrol have it's own software?
Now that has been said, you need to hear this:
I should make you aware of the fact, the more operations you have your computer processing, the more lag and memory buffering you're going to have to deal with, that includes with ASIO. If for instance, you are running multiple laptops, then your whole build should work flawlessly. Because, then, you could run the previous Controller Editor version on one computer and "Link" it to the rest via the network. Having multiple computers processing each batch of data is a much more functional way of achieving that set up. If you're already running 3 programs via "Link" on one computer, it's already going to have some buffering issues, but it is doable, to a degree. Depending on how much is being executed at once, per program.
You have to remember, your computer has to store to memory all the audio components being used in each program and channel, same with the samples it's using via your drive locations, not including software operations, such as FX processing. Each of those is being rendered via the SW (DAW) sound engine for each program, but one computer! The more it has to process, the more memory will require to have to buffer it all, hence the drag on CPU processes and buffering. It's the same idea when you have too many channels running in a program. Sure, you could run multiple HD units, like Roni Size does, to get clocking and buffering integrity for each instance, but are you willing to pay that price for that kind of setup? No!
The smartest way I see to do your setup, is to use Maschine/Kontrol 61 and Ableton to do your productions, then choose one to set up scenes and launch clips with. Then when you perform, you can do Maschine (or Ableton) and Traktor, that way you will be able to get the most out of your setup. You can plug your guitar directly into Maschine and use pedals and M32 to automate and perform live, along with Traktor hardware. I believe Allen and Heath also make DJ equipment for Traktor, if that's a route you wanna go?!
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I don't understand where the M32 keyboard or Maschine software, Ableton Live or Traktor come into it, as the original post didn't mention any of that. 🤔
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OKAY with the first Answer I AM GETTING SOMEWHERE! as far as the multiple laptops idea! ill run the plus standalone with the S49 mk2 and the JAM. ill run a Maschine Mikro mk3 that i just got gifted from a friend, the S49 mk3, with a tiny little beginners presonus interface audiobox 96 into my Macbook Air, which will be running an instance of Maschine in Ableton 12. then i have a micro PC i can run guitar rig 6 with rig kontrol 3 for my microkorg And my telecaster's effect chains and amp modeling, run that into Ableton 12 Lite on the microPC. THEN I can use the X1 WITH a Numark party controller on my old trusty dusty ASUS Gaming laptop with ALL of my downloaded music and stems and everything on that computer already, run that into ableton. THEN ALL 3 ABLETONS have LINK, and all the meanwhile each of the instances of Ableton om each computer is also recording everything live, i can then throw all three separate setups into a little behringer mixer to be able to stream it as one complete mix live on social media.
WITH ALL THAT SAID HERE IS MY DISCLAIMER:
$$$$$$- THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT, IM DOING IT JUST TO SEE IF I CAN EVEN MAKE IT POSSIBLE, IM NOT EXPECTING THE KINKS TO BE FULLY WORKED OUT-$$$$$$$$
But I do want to eventually solidify this entire rig so i can habe the option of having pro musicians jump on and collaborate with me on the fly. i have the rig i am putting all o0f this on almost done too! i just mhave to finish building the bikes electrival wiring (the rig is an e-bike with a shopping cart welded in between the seat and the back wheel so i can sell beer and water and ice out of a big huge cooler!) the trailer has a dj booth built onto it, a stool for me, a doggy bed for my dog, and a couch frame welded to the back for a couple of hunnies or homies!Im calling it "the Dream Maschine", im using it to promote my album which im almost done with, and to busk/street perform, pop-up rave, throw parties in the middle of an abandoned navy base, all the while charging at the door, have DJs with a following come and mix fun stuff on the fun setup, and even TAILGATING for the Super Bowl this year, which happens to be in my city this year! im trying to finish it quickly.
if i cant, ill just use it with the best setup i can, but i want traktor to mix the standalone music with the music im making or ive already made with the mikro/Macbook, and even have my 1TB of music and stems on my ASUS to be able to be mixed in there as well. anything would be possible. original sets, remixes of original sets, live looping and DJing and producing on the fly all at the same time, or just doinmg one at a time given the demographic specifics,
sorry for the long message, but i have been elaborate in my plans from day one, and i have the biggest breakthrough in months with the answer that i got in this thread the first answer, thank you so much!!!!!!!!0 -
PK… the original post did, it was shortened
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I didn't know you had all those other instruments! In the original thread all you stated was Maschine+, Rig Kontrol (guitar obviously), Kontrol M32 and Kontrol 61 mK3. I didn't realize you had a Micro or Jam either, that's new to the thread. I'm a little confused, are you asking what you should purchase, or do you already own these instruments? Now I'm hearing 49 mK2?!
You don't need to run multiple instances of Ableton, you can "Link" Maschine SW and Traktor SW directly to one instance. If you have Jam, you can run that with Traktor instead, and get the most out of it. M32 will plug into the extra USB slot in Maschine+ so you can play keys on internal instruments live, or the 61mK3 (or 49 mK2, whichever it is?) can plug in there if you choose those either, but I would reserve the 61 for the home studio since it's larger. I guess it doesn't matter?!
You don't have to overkill! ….Keep it simple! The more things you have running, the more you will have to juggle during a live show. If you're using Traktor, do that on one computer, so that your audio card only has to process one application. You don't need to overload your CPU by running a ton of applications! Maschine+ can be used with Ableton on another computer to run samples or FX, and to also insert your external instruments (ie, Guitar). Maschine+ could also be Linked to Traktor alone, and provide the same functionality!
You need to consider what you're planning on doing, and what can be reduced from the live setup, not added!
If your producing content for your live show, use Maschine+ with Ableton to build your stems up at home. Then choose one program and instrument to run live with Traktor and Numark as your DJ rig. I would assume the Maschine+, Numark, M32 and Guitar should be enough for a live performance. Since you can do all the Traktor functions with Numark, while Maschine+ will allow you to use your externals while the tracks are playing. Maschine+ has all the effects your guitar needs, you can prebuild the channels with FX and save the file or Scene for use during the live performance, same with Ableton!
You could also go the other route… Use Maschine+ and Ableton at home to build the stems. Then Jam and Numark alone during live performance. If you want to do live guitar solos, you can do that with Jam as well! Not to mention plugging the guitar into a line input on Numark and use the Numark FX on the channel, while Jam plays stems!
The more things you have going, the more you have to focus on live, and the more chances you will have to mess up your live show will increase! Choose an option, familiarize yourself with that setup (it's a learning curve) and then add to that setup if you need! I have 2 turntables and a four channel mixer. I use 2 channels to control Midi and 2 for the track audio. I'm doing so much with that set up, the only more I could use live is an extra table or device to run samples/loops. Unless you're performing with someone else, I don't see why you need so much extra?! Even then, you're still not going to need all that equipment!
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i have equipment that i have alotted for studio purposes now, and equipment that i have for live performance. im still having trouble hooking up my guitar rig setup, but i guess i can just get another better more compatible pedal controller that will work with the newest versions of the SW. you all have been so greast thank you!
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I get my furniture and tables next week, but I have also been musically busy, and I have the trailer done, the bike is halfway connected and setup. I'm left with vocals, trumpets, last mixdown and master of like 29 full tracks, finishing the studio construction, finishing the trailer, art and buying all the necessary stuff for finalization on the music, and then I'll have felt pretty accomplished for the last 6 months! I'd say I'll be done with everything in about a month. Thanks to you guys and your help and advice! Thanks!
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sorry terrible photos, im waiting on insurance to replace my iphone lol. ima post some updated work ive been doing as well, dont be too harsh on me, i have only been doing production in total since the middle of last year. but yeah hope it sounds halfway decent before adding effects, vox, and solo instrunents! Cheers!
this is mainly for yall the reason im tagging, see how well my skills are after like 6 months not knowing anything about Native Instruments. (i have a much larger artist name, but i only put the songs under that account when its done and ready for all the music streaming platforms.
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