NI Libraries in Maschine plus

LostInFoundation

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/135449#Comment_135449

That’s one of the biggest signs M+ is quite abandoned.

I mean…cmon…in all the years of its existence they published different new instruments…and they didn’t even thought to at least make one simple enough to work also on M+? That would have at least shown a little interest in expanding it and a sort of respect (or caring) for their users who bought it (and spent quite some money on it).

I don’t mean they have to publish new content every 2 months…but not even a SiNGLE ONE?

The part I’m even more confused with NI is…: I’m sure such a product would sell…every single M+ owner would buy anything being released for it, since till now we had…0…plus some more users that would buy it to use it on computer…

Same for updating some products with features requested from a long time by users and asking the right price for that update: users waiting for them since ages would buy the updates.

But sometimes NI seems more interested in standing the point of “we know what we do and we don’t need anyone to tell us” than selling. Or not interested at all in “we produce something by investing Y and it will be ok to earn 1.5Y and also make our users happy ”. They always seem to be pointing at the NEW product making them earn 10Y. Or the infinite copies of the same product that will allow them to reduce the Y investment and make little work/little effort but still earn some immediate cash.

Sometimes your bank account is composed by pennies earned one by one that accumulate to become a bigger amount.

Until a product will make you earn some money (even if not every single time the amount that will change the destiny of your company) and also make your users happy, it’s a product deserving to be worked on. This is what makes an healthy, lasting company being on the market for long time.

Not the single exploit that the nowadays economy seems to be pointing at. Those can be achieved one time…maybe…but won’t make your company be a solid one

PK The DJ

It is worth considering though, that the MPC range is Akai's bread and butter. It's the product that they're known for, and they make a bunch of them. Yes they also make keyboards and various MIDI controllers, but the big seller is the MPC series.

On the other hand, Native Instruments main sellers (at a guess) are software based. The Komplete packages, software instruments. With hardware, probably keyboards, audio interfaces, pad controllers, DJ stuff.

The Maschine+ is tucked away in a corner and forgotten about. It's not their main product.

But yes, other than the Maschine expansions, I don't think there's been anything released that's specifically for the Maschine+ or joint computer/standalone installable.

6xes

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/134871#Comment_134871

this is a great response....

i like how you point out the reality of the M+ unit!!

only the informed would know this....

others will beat around the bush...

i hate to sound like a broken record... but the Maschine+ aint the glitter and gold unit others make it out to be...

it is overpriced and a under whelming core unit that has little in the way of expansion....

people who fail to do research before making costly decisions... will learn a valuable lesson!!

...and hopefully pass it on..... so that others do not make the same mistake!!

6xes

if one desires to have a small minimal setup and have a myriad of options... buy a m1 mac mini 16gb 1TB and use what you have in terms of midi devices to control all the NI software to your hearts content!!

it will likely cost the same as the Maschine+ unit... and who knows you may even end up with some change in your pocket!

ozon

@LostInFoundation wrote:

I mean…cmon…in all the years of its existence they published different new instruments…and they didn’t even thought to at least make one simple enough to work also on M+ […]

I don’t mean they have to publish new content every 2 months…but not even a SiNGLE ONE?

• Auto Sampler
• Poly Synth
• Every new Expansion since the M+ was released (maybe 30?!)

Doesn‘t mean there shouldn’t be more. It’s definitely not enough, but it’s not true that there’s not a single one.

LostInFoundation

You’re right about Poly Synth. I forgot about it.

Auto Sampler is a feature.

Expansions are expansions. They are made for Maschine in general and luckily also working on M+. And they were releasing them even before. And, practically, they are just made to sell us what we already can do without buying anything: create Groups by importing by ourselves samples (and creating presets for the instruments already working on M+)

Taking them in consideration would almost confirm what people are saying: M+ is just a “glorious samples player”. Which is not.

What I meant is they haven’t developed any instrument working on it. Something we couldn’t have without a developer developing it for us (on what you proved me wrong with Poly Synth ☺️).

So…I stand on my point, just correcting it in “they released a single instrument (Poly Synth)” 😉

ozon

Serious question: What other instruments or effects did NI develop since the release of the M+, which are not Kontakt based or bought from a third party?

I can’t remember a single one.

LostInFoundation

They don’t have to reinvent the wheel.

Who said they cannot be Kontakt based or they cannot buy them from a third party? (btw: all NI releases from last years come from “outside” developers…call them collaborations or anything you want, but NI isn’t directly producing instruments. They find expert with whom to collaborate and pay them for developing something (even expansions are made “in collaboration with”). Which isn’t a wrong thing to do at all. But what NI does now “internally” is just updating the wrappers (NA, KK, Kontakt,…). And probably this is part of the reason why things like Maschine are stagnating. A lot of water has passed under the bridges since when NI had internal developers creating from scratch things like Reaktor, Absynth, FM8,…

And…as I said…imo they are missing an opportunity. What stops them from producing, e.g., some good acoustic instruments working in Kontakt for Maschine+? Who wouldn’t buy a decent Piano for its M+?

Yes, I know: we can sample them with Autosampler…it’s the first suggestion I always give to fellow users asking that. But if we follow this reasoning, no other NI release would be necessary: we can create our own instruments with Kontakt, no need to wait for them to release them.

But sometimes having a ready product made by a creative mind (which between has access to things we will never have: professional mic to sample professional rare instruments, the knowledge on how to do it at its best,…) is what we are looking for. That’s why we buy Komplete packages ☺️. And the same could be valid for them releasing new instruments for Maschine+. I could use Autosampler to create the new electric pianos they released by myself…if only I had access to those rare instruments. And in any case my self created electric pianos would not be as good and as well thought for Maschine+ as the ones made by a professional who studied, get paid and have all the time to do that (since this is his work, not something he has to do in it’s spare time after coming back from a day of work)