Why no mouse wheel inside Kontakt instruments?
I just can't understand this. So many great instruments inside Kontakt, like the guitars, Lores, and now Fables, another amazing hybrid instrument with beautiful pads. NI has hit a home run with all these hybrid instruments, Ashlight, Arkhis, Lores and so many more.
But besides the fact that looking at their GUIs is always eye straining because they may be larger than your typical old fashioned Kontakt instrument, but even if you zoom the whole Kontakt GUI, the text is blurry as hell. Same for the guitars and others.
But even worse, you have a ton of presets in a list, but you can't use the mouse wheel, at least not in macOS. Wouldn't surprise me if you can in Windows, because macOS always gets the second class citizen treatment from all software developers, but in Kontakt under macOS, you can't. Of course it works if you want to scroll between instruments, if you loaded more than one, but anything inside the instrument, nothing.
So you want to listen to all the presets in a library like Fables, and you are forced to scroll by clicking and dragging a tiny scroll bar:
And it doesn't even scroll in a smooth way, or at least progressively as you move it. It works like a page up/down kind of thing, at one point it goes to the next page.
Native Instruments, do you think this is right, in almost 2024? Come on!!
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No it isn't a second class treatment.
IMHO Mac produced too many OS in short time.
So the issue is in your OS system?
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I don’t think this is a Mac vs Win thing, afaik many Kontakt libraries lack mouse wheel support, not sure why, but I guess it may be related to NI expecting more people to interact with them using controllers than mouse wheel (in my case that is certainly true)
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Sure, the problem is in macOS, an OS vastly superior to Windows.
Apple releases a new major version of macOS every year, Microsoft does about the same. You think that because they don’t increase the number at the end it’s not a major OS revision?
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How do you scroll the list of presets inside Kontakt instruments when using Kontakt?
Besides, it would be really annoying to have to move my hand to a controller rather than just scrolling the wheel.
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It's the same treatment on Windows OS, so it's not only MacOS thing.
Everyone doesn't have / prefer controllers and most of us still use mouse wheel (which is very convenient) to scroll through a long 'list'.
So I would like to request NI team...please add mouse scroll wheel support for Kontakt presets in the upcoming updates. It would be a 'good-to-have' for many of us. Third-party libraries / GUIs like Karanyi sounds, Decent Sampler, Spitfire have this basic functionality then why not Kontakt?
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Mouse wheel scrolls through presets just fine for me.
Kontakt 7.8.1
Windows 11 Home 23H2
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It seems weird that both of you have Windows, and yet one of you has the same problem and the other doesn't. Mark, maybe you have a special mouse with one of those drivers that can do more than just the plain driver?
Either way, it's outrageous that we don't have this simple ability. How long have we had the mouse wheel? 30 years at least? Everything scrolls using the mouse wheel, why can't we scroll that way inside instruments in Kontakt? We can scroll inside Kontakt when we have more than one instrument loaded, but the moment the pointer is inside the instrument GUI, all wheel scrolling is gone. Why?
Besides, the scrolling inside some instruments is totally confusing, like the Sunburst guitar. There are two columns of presets, and you grab the scroll bar, move down and the presets that were at the top on the second column start showing at the bottom of the first column. It's an awful system. But even worse without the mouse wheel to scroll.
I don't get how one of the main companies in the industry stays behind so much in the visual aspect of their software. There have been some advances in the last year, but every time I load any Kontakt instrument, new or old, I know it's going to strain my eyes because of the blurry text. I bet the original sizes of these PNGs that make the different parts of the GUI must be tiny, so no wonder why it all looks bad when scaled up. I mean, I'm glad they finally gave us a GUI we can zoom, but it still sucks if you don't allow the companies that use Kontakt as their engine to use a larger version of their GUI.
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All I can tell you is my mouse is an inexpensive wired Steel Series brand that is on default configuration. I haven't changed anything related to the scroll wheel. I would suggest looking at the mouse settings inside windows.
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Depending on how you look at it then it is a side effect of being able scroll the entire window content up and down by the scroll'er marked 2 on my picture below here or it is a bug in the program that either depending on graphics adapter and driver or entirely in the Kontakt program itself !
Problem is that the side scroll marked 2 on my picture grabs and keeps focus , allowing you to scroll the entire window content up and down and thus not ever allowing side scroll marked on 1 on picture to ever grab scroll function focus , not even when clicking within the frame !
One could argue that side scroll marked 1 should grab scroll focus when mouse over the list connected to the scroll'er 1 (and not just focus when on click button and keep pressed) and when not mouse over the list in question then scroll function focus should return to side scroll'er marked 2 !
For test purpose I have used "Ashlight" . I am on Windows 10, 64 bit, and I am using a relatively old NVidia GTX 960 based graphics/display adapter
@Jeremy_NI , I will leave it up to you to decide if you think this is intended functionality or a bug !
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@Jeremy_NI , I will leave it up to you to decide if you think this is intended functionality or a bug !
Well, it's clearly a bug, because this is 2024 and it's downright absurd that you can't scroll through any lists in any program with the mouse wheel. The mouse wheel wasn't invented a year ago, but over twenty years ago. I know that some of Native Instruments GUIs look like they are from over twenty years ago, but even if they were twenty years old, they should still have scrolling with the mouse wheel.
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Sorry , I am not a N.I. employee , Jeremy_NI is and as you can see then he did not respond to my pinging him. You can try and report it as a bug if you want to support. Here is the link to dedicated N.I. Kontakt Support
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