NAMM 2025: Introducing the NKS Hardware Partner Program

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  • baridw1
    baridw1 Member Posts: 24 Member
    edited January 24

    I've been using Maschine since 2009, and it always feels like we’re promised updates right around the corner, but then those updates get overshadowed by new hardware. New hardware seems to come roughly every 3–4 years, and Maschine+ was released in November 2020, so it's already approaching that window. Any updates for Maschine+ may soon be overshadowed by whatever comes next. I’ve fallen for this dang near every time. I had the Maschine MK1, then upgraded to the MK2, and later the Maschine Studio, holding onto it for dear life until I realized the MK3 was just better and the software wasn’t catching up. I waited what seemed like forever for Maschine 3.0 to finally come out. I just picked up a used Maschine+ a few days ago, thinking the software would catch up. I thought Maschine 3.0 was a good time to hop in, but now I’m really starting to doubt it. I didn’t realize Maschine 3.0 wasn’t part of Maschine+ standalone—my fault for not researching that first. I don't want to come across as if I haven't enjoyed Maschine, I just wish they would keep the hardware relevant longer, so they could hold their value better.

  • baridw1
    baridw1 Member Posts: 24 Member

    I’ve also been trying to understand how NI plans to provide better support for its current hardware while simultaneously partnering with all these other companies. It kind of feels like the current staff is spread pretty thin, and there’s no indication that they’re beefing up the team to speed things up or improve things for their existing hardware. It just makes me wonder how committed they are to keeping their current lineup running smoothly while they focus on all these other partnerships.

  • MLARS
    MLARS Member Posts: 183 Pro
    edited January 24

    Softube just released Midi CC support for effects like EQ, Compressor etc (it is a basic DAW solution), they have Fader Midi CC (but also too basic atm) and are likely working on an midi editor for Q1 2025 (which is needed for certain scenarios like Kontakt instrument controls with Console Fader for composing).

    But NKS support for Shaper, EQ and Compressor are obvious ones for Console 1, setting up Midi CC should be a thing used sparingly (plus I suspect Softube are working on a Master Fader controller with Macro knobs, have no insider info just guessing. The controller will very likely have a dynamic display where NKS third party FX control support is an obvious thing, like Ozone).

    If you haven't had a meeting already with the Softube people, now is the time. LFG. :)

  • MLARS
    MLARS Member Posts: 183 Pro
    edited January 24

    Softube just released Midi CC support for effects like EQ, Compressor etc (it is a basic DAW solution), they have Fader Midi CC (but also too basic atm) and are likely working on an midi editor for Q1 2025 (which is needed for certain scenarios like Kontakt instrument controls with Console Fader for composing).

    Adding NKS support for Shaper, EQ and Compressor are obvious ones for Console 1. I have no insider info but I suspect Softube are working on a Master Fader controller with Macro knobs for their Mastering plugin, Reverbs, Delays etc, but NKS is an obvious addon for third party FX controls (like Ozone).

    Hope NI is planning to work with Softube for the NKS partner program, currently no plans according to NI.

  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 1,977 mod

    Yep the CC integration is a good start. Having integration back to the OSD from NI plugins would be really nice. Ironically the NI plugins that'd work best with the C1 controller are the Softube developed ones like the Solid series!

  • ffx
    ffx Member Posts: 20 Member
    edited January 24

    This is good news I guess. The larger the NKS community, the better.

    But could you also consider to

    - open source NKS drivers, API docs etc.?
    - Control the actual display contents of the Kontrol MK3 device series, not just via MIDI. Maybe the device connection service could be openened for DAWs, too?
    - Better support DAW script devs, e.g. DrivenByMoss

    Could you also link here all related developer documentation available?

    Thanks.

  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 1,977 mod

    Could you also link here all related developer documentation available?

    I may be wrong but I'd expect some kind of cost associated with NKS licensing for deep integration rather than it being open sourced. Having said that, any documentation would be nice!

  • mykejb
    mykejb Moderator Posts: 1,977 mod

    @Sunborn I think the OP was talking about the new NKS licensing for hardware devices rather than NKS libraries, but I may be wrong!

  • Kaiwan_NI
    Kaiwan_NI Administrator Posts: 2,908 admin

    On the contrary. We totally understand why some Maschine+ owners are frustrated. You can check out Chris’s comment here:


    As for your hardware (I assume you mean a keyboard), it’s definitely not becoming useless because of this NKS partnership. Other keyboards could already be used to control our software with the help of user mappings which were created by our amazing community members here. This partnership simply makes it easier to use third-party controllers with our software right out of the box.

  • Tom Collins
    Tom Collins Member Posts: 124 Advisor

    Softube made some halfhearted attempt at NKS with a few instruments and effects back in the day and haven't touched it since, so they probably tought it wasn't with the effort. Fingers crossed they would have a change of heart. I had to remove the NKS from my Softtube instruments because it wasn't very good.

  • Ojustaboo
    Ojustaboo Member Posts: 338 Advisor

    While I agree it would be nice, someone on YouTube comments made the following comment.

    If you buy a game for a PS5 and also want it on the Xbox, you don't get a discount, why is this any different?

  • Ojustaboo
    Ojustaboo Member Posts: 338 Advisor

    While personally I totally agree with you, I can see how it looks for some users.

    It seems forever that "soon" has been the answer to when is the plus update coming. Sure it's a Bit of a catch 22, if they give a date and it's not ready there will be an uproar, in a way they can't win.

    But at the same time they must have been able to see how this announcement would be seen by those who have been waiting what feels like forever.

    I get why they wanted to announce it at NAMM, it's a shame they couldn't have also also announced either the Plus update, or at least given a big inside into how it's coming along and what features are in it.

    I know how businesses work, I know that while obviously there is some cross over, on the whole they will have completely separate departments/teams working on both, so one shouldn't impact on the other, it's just how it comes across to those patiently waiting.

    All that said, I only own a MK3, but in all honestly, looking at that x/y touch screen on the MPC, it does feel very tempting.

  • Sunborn
    Sunborn NKS User Library Mod Posts: 3,244 mod
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