Why do some things become worse in Maschine 3.0?

Funkybunch · 2024-11-19T18:36:14+00:00

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Why are NI's own plugins no longer shown with controls under the mixer view in version 3.0? Now I only have the option to display and pin the plugins in the window. Why are features “removed” in a newer version?

Apart from the many crashes I have had since version 3.0. there are at least 5 other things that I immediately notice when comparing them directly.
There are incorrect or irregularly used icons and what is the purpose of the light ring in the aux and audio in pots? This is absolute nonsense.
The labeling of the plugins is also no longer centered.
That are just small things, but why do some things that were once correct become worse? 😒

I checked every day for months when version 3.0 would finally be released and was full of anticipation because a version 3.0 was long overdue. It's one thing that not many new features have been added in that time, but the fact that some things have gotten worse is really sad.

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Sunborn

…click the small icon, to see the plugin… 🙄

Funkybunch

Doesn't work 😞 The icon bypass the plugin.

This is another good example for an irregular symbolism. 🙄

Sunborn

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/192311#Comment_192311

yup… i marked the wrong icon, it is the arrow on the top of the channel. 😏

Funkybunch

This icon pops the plugin out in a floating window like every other (3rd party plugin). In Maschine 2 every NI Plugin was extended, but stays in the chain like the internal plugins. You can still pin it, but then the plugin is always on top.

BIF

I try not to do this, but I want the OP to get answers to his concerns.

There is a Maschine forum area. This is the Komplete General forum area.

Funkybunch

I posted especially this in the other area too. Here is the discussion in general, because there are more things which getting worse in a newer version. Only small things, but why?

On the other hand there are so many things to do under the hood (auv3 support for example). And since 3.0 I got more crashes than ever before 😒

I hope many things will fix in near future. Meantime I prefer Maschine 2

D-One

I'm guessing it's just a bug, there are other window plug issues then could also be related.

@Funkybunch said:
On the other hand there are so many things to do under the hood (auv3 support for example)

Are there even any meaningfull numbers of AU V3 plugins out there? Honest question as I mostly only see it mentioned for iOS/iPadOS.

because there are more things which getting worse in a newer version. Only small things, but why?

Like what?

Apart from bugs and a GUI that is super duper dark I dont see anything else that gotten worse… mostly because also not much changed.

Flexi

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/192869#Comment_192869

I don't usually post here anymore, but everything got bigger on v3, so now you have to scroll the plugin pop up menu to see all entries, v2, it was all on screen at once, v3 you see less available sound slots on screen at any time vs v2.
There are other things too, but yes 100% v3 is worse in a bunch of areas.

D-One

@Flexi said:
everything got bigger on v3, so now you have to scroll the plugin pop up menu to see all entries, v2, it was all on screen at once, v3 you see less available sound slots on screen at any time vs v2.

True… That would fit in the GUI category, I said "too dark" but there's many other small things like the one you just mentioned that I don't like neither. Sometimes on new changes theres trade offs but regarding the GUI some things seem to have no advantage at all… for example:

Same thing but V3 is only able to display 6 results instead of 17, thats less than half with no real advantage like having the text easier to read, bigger, higher res, etc… To me this makes no sense. Not to mention the color and having a ton of text just bunched up without a background per tag makes things harder to read, but this might be subjective.

There are other things too, but yes 100% v3 is worse in a bunch of areas.

Anything else other than GUI stuff? I am asking because if all the gripes are in that category than maybe that should be in tittle and the actual topic, not a generic "V3 is worst".

ozon

Everything @D-One and @Flexi mentioned, and…

Another thing not working properly anymore is the classification and tag editor. I did a report about several flaws in it. It has evolved from annoying to painful. Not yet Reaktor editing painful, but close. They must have some absolute genius UI designers over there.

Jolaff

The GUI is a step back. Too dark, too much contrast, there is no more division between sections. It looks like they tried to make it look cleaner without caring about the functional aspect.

Sunborn

Sorry but, personally i do like a lot the dark GUI!

For a pro musician who works for hours in the middle of the night, is highly appreciated.

However (and while tagging, editing vendors/authors/comments)…
black letters on dark gray background is a serious fault!!

Seriously i am going blind… some white color needed ASAP

Jolaff

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/193025#Comment_193025

I guess not everybody have the same vision because I would take those black letters on that light gray over white letter on black background ! And Maschine is the only software that I feel like that…

Sunborn

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/193030#Comment_193030

that is a sure thing, every one has a different vision!

…lets see how NI developers will handle this… 😂

The only solution that can please everyone, is to add multiple schemes, as Reaktor has… or even better, skins!

D-One

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/193025#Comment_193025

Never apologise for an opinion! :) But this is not about disliking dark mode, V2 was dark too… I love dark and flat design.

I been DJing for 20 years, when you leave the club at 6:30AM on a regular basis it's really hard to wake up early and work normal hours so I work late too. I use dark mode on everything but I never seen a SW this dark, surely theres a reason or maybe NI is the 1st company to discover how to properly do dark mode in 2024? Or…. Maybe they just want to use the "new Identity" colors by brute force, the same that uses 100% black and makes all icons look the same. Take your guess.

It's not just about the color palette, thats subjective and I can get used to that, it's how its implemented and all the overall little details where things are objectively worst. The old GUI probably took a very long time to mature while this new one feels very, very rushed…

Why is it so hard to tell which Pad is selected?
Why is there a gradient at the end of the browser?
Why do tags menus look that awkward like you posted yourself?
Why is there so little separation in between areas?

I could go on and on, then theres things that don't make it worse but look awkward, like having tons of square right angle icons then a bunch of others have with rounded edges, I am no UI designer but I am pretty sure design is supposed to be consistent and not a random mix match.

Theres things I like about the V3 GUI too btw, removing textures, shadows and making it flat is awesome for example.

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