Maschine-NI DAW

xylemflo
xylemflo Member Posts: 27 Member
edited October 22 in Maschine

I was surprised not to find this topic in a search of the forum, so I am posting it here.

First of all, I am a longtime user of NI software products, and a new user of Maschine. I know that Maschine has varied uses, but based on an intense period learning Maschine, and perusing many forums, and watching many videos, it seems that a huge number of issues and requests would be solved by creating a proper DAW. The hardware could even retain the current workflows, but give us an intuitive software experience. Here are challenge areas that I think would be greatly improved.

  1. Make Maschine adoption easy !
  2. Navigation
  3. Provide natural and intuitive timeline capabilities (recording, navigation, etc)
  4. Sample management and modification
  5. Automation and modulation
  6. Vst3/clap/au workflow
  7. Kontakt, KK, Izotope, etc
  8. Not to mention keeping new users in the ecosystem

NI already has a robust ecosystem of hardware and software, so a DAW that leverages all of this would gain some immediate traction. I realize that there are many great DAWs out there, but Luna is a good example of a new DAW leveraging company hardware and software. Like Luna, it does not have to be the best DAW on the market out of the gate, just reasonably competitive and well integrated with the ecosystem.

Anyway, that is my 2 cents….

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  • donmaddonald
    donmaddonald Member Posts: 211 Advisor

    honestly I'd just like that it stops to be so unstable as a software, I think since I bought it I been always hoping for a fix.

    in some way or another it crashes, so my opinion is to fist have a solid "whatever" is maschine, which has an amazing SW and HW integration that many companies will struggle to achieve, and let it be what it is but in a constant and reliable way, I myself love to work in stand alone when I want to do my sampled based production, and as a AU in logic, and boy if used well that combination (as I believe with any DAW) it just works, there are several workflows, like using MSW as plug in and effectively produce everything in there (pattern by patter etc..) and have a great timeline and recording capabilities from your DAW, or use it as a sample manager drag and drop stuff easily on the fly, or just use it as a drum maschine, like programming/playing the drums in MSW and just drop the midi in logic and have the capability to do drum fills or changes in your DAW while producing. I you find your workflow maschine is almost perfect. my 2 cents are

    STABILITY STABILITY STABILITY, and some sampler or chords improvement, doesn't need anything crazy, add the capability to program your own chords as a chord set, and have a more modern sampler (in metter of technology, stem separator, key detection, and "follow tempo" basically serato sampler but better because of the hardware), yet main thing STABILITY AND RELIABILITY that's all.

  • wetdentist
    wetdentist Member Posts: 16 Member

    i dunno. as someone who has been using Maschine since 2011, it seems like NI has been developing Maschine software at a glacial pace, which may not be the best pace for a DAW. i'm at the point where i would be happy if i could just "freeze" tracks to help with CPU

  • Kaiwan_NI
    Kaiwan_NI Administrator Posts: 2,845 admin

    I can't say either that developing Maschine as a full-fledged DAW is the direction we're going. That being said, some workflow improvements are on the way. If you haven't seen these yet, make sure to vote and leave use cases for our product team here:

    https://community.native-instruments.com/categories/sequencer-pattern-editor-ideas
    https://community.native-instruments.com/categories/automation-and-modulation-ideas

    P.S. These two areas of improvements are based on the original poll here:

    https://community.native-instruments.com/categories/share-ideas-for-maschine

  • Goldie B
    Goldie B Member Posts: 39 Member

    Yes Please to ‘Freeze Tracks’ - this would be a game changer for being able to get more than a bit done in Maschine before having to export to Reaper (which makes much better use of resources than any of the other DAWs, if you configure it to give it priority)

  • chk071
    chk071 Member Posts: 548 Pro

    I totally agree with the OP. I think there would be a market for Maschine as a software DAW. Especially when NI keep it simple, unlike these feature monster DAWs which are on the market now.

  • BLOCK WAS HERE
    BLOCK WAS HERE Member Posts: 6 Member
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/162888#Comment_162888

    how long before we start to see some of these improvements? Seems like we’re always stuck in the planning stage.

  • olafmol
    olafmol Member Posts: 208 Pro

    Only surveys and polls for years, and then we get an updated (ugly) logo. Priorities and resource-allocation for Maschine sw development are clear to me ;P

    For context, just look at the Ableton Push 12.1 beta release just releases, this is what proper dedication to a platform looks like

  • chk071
    chk071 Member Posts: 548 Pro
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/162967#Comment_162967

    TBH, I've been wondering a while now about the pace of software development from NI. Seems like, since the home officing days, it's been very slow.

  • olafmol
    olafmol Member Posts: 208 Pro
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/162995#Comment_162995

    And years before that too. Maschine 2.7 was released in 2017, says enough i think.. :(

  • xylemflo
    xylemflo Member Posts: 27 Member

    Even here in the responses from Kaiwan and wetdentist, we are talking about standard DAW features being requested or developed (modulation, freezing tracks, sequencing, etc). I understand that is not the current direction, but you are doing it bit by bit anyway, and a DAW would be bigger than just Maschine and could amplify the time and attention to development. Of course, NI could always just buy an existing platform and convert it to an NKS beast ;-)

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,761 Expert
    edited July 19

    ADC23 talk about how much resources you roughly need to develop a DAW:

    https://youtu.be/GMlnh6_9aTc?si=5hLQJQRWr55qZg7e

    So much for „can’t be too hard to…“

  • chk071
    chk071 Member Posts: 548 Pro

    We're talking about one of the biggest companies in the audio software industry here.

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,761 Expert
    edited July 20
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/166648#Comment_166648

    Which doesn’t take away anything from the presented facts. And „big“ doesn’t equal „potent“.

  • xylemflo
    xylemflo Member Posts: 27 Member
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/166738#Comment_166738

    Granted ozon, but "Big" does mean the ability to leverage vast resources including developers and capital. The acquisition of brands and leveraging the ecosystem already seems to be a strategic direction. Eg: Izotope. As mentioned in my last post, they don't necessarily need to start from scratch, and they are incurring some of the development $/effort anyway.

  • ozon
    ozon Member Posts: 1,761 Expert

    @xylemflo

    "Big" does mean the ability to leverage vast resources including developers and capital.

    Regardless of the company size, the ROI for building a DAW is not very favorable. Investors, such as the Francisco Partners Group, are not going to spend huge money on development with low or negative returns.

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