Anyone having problems with "Fables" presets?

kbryarly · 2023-11-27T20:21:35+00:00

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Hello, I just installed (and re-installed a few times) "Fables". Thing is, many presets load 3 'layers' or instruments, but only one or two will actually make any sound. This is not a matter of setting the keyboard range correctly. The problems seems to be sporadic as well. For instance, I can load a preset and the first time I press a key, the layers will sound. However, one or two will often stop responding with subsequent key 'presses'.

Ideas?

Thank you, Kelly

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Jeremy_NI

The issue was already flagged and it's been communicated to our partners for this library. We don't have an ETA for the fix at the moment.

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Kymeia

It has some nice patches but the playability is terrible imho. I especially hate the fact that the 2 sound source volume controls tie up both the modwheel and my keyboard touch strip - which means I can't use the modwheel for what it is meant for (ie modulating patches, and getting more expression from them) and I usually have the touch strip set to breath but just for Lore and Fables have to remap it back to expression. It makes what you can do with the patches expressively very limited.

More importantly NI should not be hijacking useful MIDI params for expression that have been used for decades by keyboard players to play with feeling and control over expression, to make them into a simple volume mix control, this is similar to what they did with aftertouch in Maschine (and to an extent in the new KK3 with the ARP, although luckily at least that is optional at the moment).

Jeremy_NI

The issue was already flagged and it's been communicated to our partners for this library. We don't have an ETA for the fix at the moment.

maxdis

I'm having the same problem, for example with the "Moment of Realisation" preset the SFX instrument will stop working after a while.

I also found another (maybe related?) annoying thing: if I assign my MIDI controller's knobs to each instruments layer's volume (using the MIDI learn feature) , and I'm in the "main" instrument view (the one with Reverb, Noise etc...knobs) , if I turn my MIDI controller knobs to change the single layers volume nothing happens; the only way to change layers volume via MIDI controller is to open the specific layer tab I want to change and then the volume will react correctly to my MIDI controller. Actually I've found that moving a MIDI knob will change the number value (but not the knob "image") of ALL the volume layers, but the volume will be affected ONLY if the specific layer is visible in the interaface.

For example: let's say I assigned knob 1 on my MIDI controller to the left instrument Layer 1, knob 2 to the middle instrument Layer 1, and so on. If I move knob 1, ALL the layers volume number values will change at the same time, but the actual volume (and visual knob image) of layer 1 will change ONLY if layer 1 is visible in the interface.

Please fix this because it is a total workflow killer

esounder

FABLES UI/UX improvement

There is small UX/UI improvement that was forgotten in Fables when compared to Lores.
When editing LAYERS in Fables, the currently edited layer is NOT MARKED/HIGHLIGHTED. This complicates the process of editing layers, often you find yourself editing the wrong layer.

I find the implementation from Lores more helpful & intuitive. Please implement it in Fables too.
Thanks.

runa

Hey there, I had the same problem until I realised that you need to crank up the Expression fader in the right down corner. Some layers won't make a sound if the Expression is set too low. Hope that helps.

Uwe303

so i tried it out and there are definitely some problems, the mentioned sound presets also didn´t work for me with the described problems. The "childs play" preset makes no sound at all also on my end. Then i cleared a sound and loaded just one sound and some didn´t work like the gong sounds - will later test a bit more, systematically and write it down or screen capture it

Kymeia

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/118657#Comment_118657

Some of the key ranges are ridiculous, Childs play is mapped to just 2 white keys at the top end of the key range on a S 61 MkII / yes it goes higher on a 88 key model but then it is getting close inaudible it’s so high pitched

Jeremy_NI

Ok, so after playing around a bit more and following your steps, I also encountered similar issues, even if not exactly the same, at some point, after a few manipulations and sample selection, sound does disappear. I'm checking with the Kontakt Instruments team. Thanks all for the input & troubleshooting!

kbryarly

@Calagan

I was wondering that as well. I just hope that they address it soon.

kbryarly

Also, the 'mix' level of the layers does not seem to be balanced well in some of the patches. Many of them are so low in level that the only way to determine if they are working is to watch the meter. Not very useful...

kbryarly

I loaded "Coded Whispers" in Kontakt 7 standalone. SFX (in layer 3) make no sound at all even after messing with the various settings. Alas...

kbryarly

@Jeremy_NI

Just loaded "A Lone Tower". Layer 3 (Low Perc) made sound for maybe 2 seconds then stopped working altogether. This was in Kontakt 7 standalone. So, it's not only the SFX elements that aren't consistent.

A reload only resulted in the layer not working at all. Hard to tell what's going on here, but I hope the developers will re-work this thing. Also, we need a way to adjust the levels of the layers or at least allow us to route them to different outputs. Right now, the only way I am able to adjust the level is to use aftertouch - silly.

Oethoi

Any update on this? I'm noticing the same thing. Some presets just don't play with my midi keyboard. I can manually use my mouse cursor and they play, but they don't respond to my keyboard. Sometimes after reloading they do for a brief moment or so.

kbryarly

None that I am aware of

jottweh

Has anyone ever tried assigning different KONTAKT outputs to the 3 FABLES sound slots? That doesn't seem to work either. All sounds will continue to be output on the default channel. This works perfectly with "iZotope" "Novo" + "Vento". That's why I think this is also a bug in FABLES.

Let's hope for an update … 😴

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