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  • Jackpot Slot Machine
    Jackpot Slot Machine Member Posts: 18 Helper

    It's a pity you felt the need to delete Ray's post.

  • Nobbi
    Nobbi Member Posts: 56 Helper

    i agree…. Fortunately i got a copy in my Mails… we should post it Again because he spoke out of my mind 🙂☺️

  • Matt_NI
    Matt_NI Administrator Posts: 1,131 admin
    edited March 2022

    The code of conduct applies to everyone and the post was breaching literally every single aspect of it. Such post has no place in this community no matter what. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about the content, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the way it was addressed.

  • Jackpot Slot Machine
    Jackpot Slot Machine Member Posts: 18 Helper

    You do realise he is the best Ambassador you ever had !

    Listen to him, he knows what he's taking about.

  • Jackpot Slot Machine
    Jackpot Slot Machine Member Posts: 18 Helper
    edited March 2022

    it certainly hasn't been deleted from the internet, it's being shared now in many groups, i wouldn't be surprised if it goes viral!

  • Nobbi
    Nobbi Member Posts: 56 Helper

    Maybe then NI realizes what their Users really need 😉

  • Matt_NI
    Matt_NI Administrator Posts: 1,131 admin

    Please let's not go off topic here. I'm sure there's plenty of platform out there where it is acceptable to write the f-word in every single sentences but our community isn't one.

    You are actually more than welcome to discuss the points shared in a respectful manner and we can have a honest conversation about it.

  • Matt_NI
    Matt_NI Administrator Posts: 1,131 admin

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts @Owner

    I'll unpack a couple of things just to clarify our approach here on the community side. We (when I say we, I'll refer to the community team) are taking ownership of what is happening around here and are not expecting Pedram to show up here everyday and answer everyone individually. Just like you said, he has a ton on his plate and his energy is definitely needed to drive Traktor. The team is checking what's happening around here but to keep things practical for everyone, we are taking an approach that is definitely in line with what you are saying.

    Recently, we didn't a good job at making sure communication was consistent and with so many changes happening in the past few months, it was 1000% chaotic. I take some responsibility on this as well since it is our responsibility to make sure our community feels heard and has ways to share feedback with everyone at NI. Now, we're actually following a similar approach you see in the Maschine section (and you right same company and same team looking after the community). We'll have Pedram share every quarter a bit more information on progress with much needed context (like you saw here) but the the big part of the feedback will be driven by Kai, Nico and myself. We set-up a meeting with the Traktor team every two weeks so we can bring up the questions you all have and share more about what's on everyone's mind.

    Personally, I would much rather have conversations than having you all wait around for a pinned post and for the first time, we have a team looking after the online community every single day.

    In regards to Ray's post, the f-words were only the surface of what was wrong. Again, I'm not dismissing the content at all and while I understand the frustration, this was definitely not the right way to share feedback.

    Hope this clarifies the comms / community aspect a bit. I'm totally happy to dissect how we envision this even more 🙏

  • alec.tron
    alec.tron Member Posts: 79 Pro
    edited March 2022

    Quote Owner (since context/selection quoting is still not functional here):

    "all the new features that have recently been introduced are not finished in my opinion. Smart Playlists and the Browser Improvements come to my mind first. Parallel Waveforms before. for me both only half-finished things."

    I can fully sign this.

    I need long promised shortcomings fixed, not streaming, not a new filter/fx.

    Those shortcomings for me is metadata i/o (custom & multi-value field support), the long promised browser/library overhaul (while taking modern metadata features on board, and embedding this into the library/browser/playlist workflow) as well as smart playlists makign use of modern metadata features as well as 'currently playing track', without the last, a smart playlist system is less than half-implemented in my book...

    So fingers crossed we'll get to see what was done on the last 4 months of silence soon, and it actually is some of those top 3 topics (i.e. -> https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/traktor-3-5-2-297-released-on-native-access.463005/#post-2141807). Can someone tell me what Ray's removed post says

    c.

    Cheers.

  • Pedram_NI
    Pedram_NI Product Team Posts: 5 mod

    Hi @Owner , thanks for your question directed at me. No, I'm not planning to answer every individual question here moving forward. As you're rightfully assuming and as @Matt_NI stated, I wouldn't have the bandwidth to do that and it's not what I'm supposed to do - it's the Community Team's (Matt, Kai, Nico) role to be present here and steer the day to day discussions.

    That said, I'll certainly take the freedom to check in frequently here, read your comments, and contribute occasionally also on top of the promised quarterly update - because I appreciate everyone's contribution here and I understand the frustration. And I consider the conversation as valuable input for our work. Same is true for my colleagues from Traktor @Friedemann @ NI , @Michael K @ NI and others - one of us will check in with you frequently here on top of the Community Team. If not me, then another colleague.

    On the product feature request side, we're aware of everything you all mention here, and within the boundaries of our possibilities as Team Traktor, we're working everyday to deliver as much as possible of your requests according to the surveys. Also, the 'chaos' as mentioned by @Matt_NI that was induced by all the recent company changes explains a lot of the perceived silence/reduced speed you're all referring too.


    Today, in Berlin at least the sun is shining and we love what we're doing: working on/discussing about DJ gear. So let's close the week with some positivity. Sending you all warm regards and wishing you a good weekend - keep the music going and till soon!

  • olafmol
    olafmol Member Posts: 227 Pro

    I unfortunately see the same pattern with Maschine software: no incremental improvements to speak off, even though they have been requested over and over again for 10+ years, but a new auto-sampler. In my experience with software-engineering this means that it's to hard/expensive to touch the existing codebase, and it's easier to build new things. Which is a bad place to be, unless you start new all over again, and build a new product/platform/generation from scratch, and make sure it's maintainable in the future. It's a pattern at NI, and a bad one.

  • Jackpot Slot Machine
    Jackpot Slot Machine Member Posts: 18 Helper

    Matt, I wasn't aware that i had posted something disrespectful.

    What i was hinting at is the extremely short-sighted way the post was "cancelled". There are many other forums and groups including the one I run where censorship isn't a thing. He didn't swear ...* ******* ******* are just stars. He rightly showed his frustration because this isn't new, some of us have been around since the beginning of Traktor and before and most of the issues have been around since then.

    The browser (smart lists, metadata etc.) needs priority number 1 tattooed on your eyeballs, it's constantly being ignored, yet we hear lipservice every time the point is raised.

    The gridding needs overhauling because it doesn't fit so many genres, even just tempo markers that switches tempo, if elastic grids can't be done.

    I have done multiple surveys in my 11.5K user group ....drum machine was never requested, however 86% did request gridding / browser or both. This seems as you've seen the results and ignored them because you want to release hardware ..... Remember the S3 ...


    With that said, i'll be off back to my group and I hope you open up channels with Ray or better still give him the job of steering your mastless ship back to port ! He has way more knowledge that your current product designers it seems.


    ✌ peace.

  • daveny
    daveny Member Posts: 1 Member

    The ability to create a point in a track which tracks how far we are from there in bars/beats would be perfect in future Traktor Pro and I guess it can be made easily. Double dropping music is much easier this way.

    Also a standalone Traktor Hardware (like in Maschine+) is a must in today's DJ controller scene, possibly with at least 2 USB in-out ports.

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,325 Guru
    edited March 2022

    Thanks for the communication Matt...

    The inconsistencies of sharing product roadmap info across different NI categories brought me into this Traktor section and I don't even own this product.

    The most recent information from Pedram was very enlightening and I hope what he said about modernizing the Codebase and exciting future hardware applies to all product categories.

    Komplete Kontrol seems to be getting short-changed a bit in the sharing of info from NI voices.

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