group and move scenes inside the song arranger menu?

Mike Vamp · 2025-06-16T13:43:30+00:00

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my workflow might be a little different:

each group is a song in my Maschine 3 (for live performances) because I never need more than 16 channels. Here is the thing. I build a song for a performance in the arranger view, after I made scenes. I have a, say 8 songs. First song starts at bar 1 etc. - Now, after a few performances, I want to change the order of the songs (groups). I can change the order of the songs (groups) but not the starting points and I can not group the scenes.

I can not group and move all scenes in the song (arranger) at the same time : (

I have to convert everything into "clips"

I can not name the "new" scene with clips and group them : (

I have to move all clips out of their scenes to an empty space on the right : (

I then have to delete all empty scenes in the song (arrangement) : (

Now I can not loop the clips when I want during my live perfomance because I can not make a new scene with my "clips" : (

I like maschine 3 a lot but this is hard for me to swallow this limitation : )

Does anybody has any help or idea?

Thank you all

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6xes

have you ever tried opening 2 instances of Maschine… i know it works on Macs, but how one does it on windows is anyones guess.. ( paging @PK The DJ *jokes :D )

not sure if you want to go that route?

D-One

Hummm… Maschine was never built to have your particular workflow in mind, whenever we want to fit several songs in a single project we have to deal with workarounds.

Just changing the order is rather easy, as long as you dont have a really high amount of Scenes, i'd just drag them around.

Personally, I would avoid this approach of changing the order on the project, the first song could very well be the 2nd one on the arrangement. I'd just write down the order somewhere and refer to it or rename things on the project, for example:

Obviously, being able to select several Scenes and move them together would be great, not just for your usecase but also for just arranging in general.

Psyearth5

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/45963/group-and-move-scenes-inside-the-song-arranger-menu

It's your way which means in this particular case that you are creative, there are no rules its important that it's working for you.

When you changing the order of the tracks try to do it as much fast that you can and part that would sounds wrong cover with some FX. Here is just one basic example; cut off filter can bring section to bass onley and turn back to default position with new next track.

You can also combine few tracks in Sampler( for transition between performance tracks ) and track with separated elements that you will control more during the live.

Mike Vamp

Thank you for your comments.

@D-One: I tried that with moving the scenes, but as you can not group scenes, it is a lot of work and mistakes may then happen, especially when you have a lot of songs (groups). I wish I could group the scenes because that would make it nearly perfect for me. I hope NI hears me : )

@Psyearth5: What you are suggesting is true, but makes no sense in my case.

Every group in my project is 1 song. I am ok to limit myself to max 16 tracks per song. I work with patterns and scenes or with a fully arranged live set. If I want to create a fully arranged live set I can not group the scenes and move them to their place. So I converted all scenes/pattern into clips, moved them out of their scenes and then deleted the scene. Now I can group the pattern arrangement of each song (group) and move it easily to any place. This is the best way for me at the moment.

But:

I can not select a pattern and loop it while the set is running. This would be great. I hope NI hears me : )

I can not divide/split any clips/pattern but found a workaround. I hope NI hears me : )

I enclosed a pic of my setup in the arranger mode. All groups are muted in the pic. They all start at 1. For an arrangement I group all the clips/pattern and move them to their place in my set. Then I unmute every song (group) I play in my set.

Bildschirmfoto 2025-07-13 um 23.19.34.jpg

D-One

Holly mollyy…. Having everything on unique Clips like that looks like an absolute nightmare if you ever need to edit sections of your song like a repeating verse, hook, etc…

Mike Vamp

@D-One Easy. That is just for an arranged live performance. For me, that works fine now. I still have all patterns and scenes in each song (group), and can still use the other way by selecting single scenes. As I mentioned, it is a workaround now. If I could only group scenes in Maschine 3, I would never have done this.

Mike Vamp

@D-One .. everything is still there, in case I want to drop scenes manually, or re-arrange the song (group)

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D-One

Well, if it works for you it works! Looking at the amount of Scenes you got I can see why it would be confusing to move them around without Grouping.

I think I might have seen things in a skewed manner because in my workflow triggering the Scenes is part of the live performance.

Keep reconsidering your workaround, the chances of your exact desires being added in the next update are the same as wining the lottery.

Mike Vamp

😂 I just need that damn grouping.

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