MIDI output unusable using maschine software. NOT OK for PRO hardware!

Sonical Studios
Sonical Studios Member Posts: 12 Member
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It's a shame that midi out is dodgy as in Maschine V2 and V3. Drops out unless you only have 1 midi output in settings so the second I plug in my MK2 keyboard it within 5-10 mins will fail the midi output and freeze it because plugging in the MK2 adds Komplete DAW to the outputs witch make it fail. We should be able to have other midi outputs selected like you software allows us too. Its like you only want us to use what you provide for you in the box so to say. Not ok since this is supposed to be a profession device with Compatible MIDI to the standard.

Standard MIDI does not drop out NI. This make the Mashine Software completely useless for sending midi to external devices and synths and so much for LIVE use. The fact that this have not been fixed at all make me want to sell my MK3 and get a MPC. I have also tried the reg edit change to no luck and you guys wont respond to others and keep passing the buck. I will make a video about this and provide as much info as i can but the problem can be replicated by doing whats stated above.

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  • Jeremy_NI
    Jeremy_NI Administrator, Customer Care Posts: 14,895 admin
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    @Sonical Studios Have you tried the following already? https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/4176/tips-how-to-solve-midi-dropouts-in-maschine-when-using-hardware-midi-devices#latest

  • 6xes
    6xes Member Posts: 924 Guru

    i have seen this issue crop up often…. and its the same everytime

    i do wonder sometimes… whether the issue is the old type of midi din… and the inherent issues that come with that old type of transmission

    people might begin getting the impression that becos its physically connected by being wired it has a better transmission/receive rate… if one begins to push the boundaries of the throughput limits, should we expect weird results??

    heres a test you can do… as i have my own theory on why this occurs, but NI can wear that issue

    i know if you are sending a clock signal this is going to be the beginning of the issues… but the issue can be …that if you dont spread your midi across multiple channels, then the channel floods and the buffer cannot manage all the incoming messages on a single channel

    i have personally experienced this phenomenon on the maschine Jam with the USB cable attached, and what it would do is become non-responsive but still play everything that was being transmitted 10 seconds after i had pressed stop… and although the sound had ceased… the midi was backed up for 10 or 20seconds still lighting up all the LED's

    at which point i understood what was taking place, once i examined my incoming midi… flooding

    and funnily enough, Native instruments makes a small footnote of this issue in the controller editor

    So imagine the slower midi din and the midi all coming on the same channel as the clock…along with fader control messages/velocity controls and pressure based control changes… eventually the old tech will give up the ghost… and sh17 itself LOL

    so the test is to spread your midi across channels… and then test ot again with all midi on a single channel or dual channels and see how long before the maschine midi din input ****** itself

    heres another consideration, do we as users of the maschine software know which channels all the midi is being outputted on??

    lets say we create a project in maschine, do you know which channels they are being transmitted on by default?

  • 6xes
    6xes Member Posts: 924 Guru
    edited May 5

    all that said… if the software driver is unable to manage all the incoming and outgoing midi via the din cable in a timely manner, maschine will eventually ****** itself… LOL

  • Sonical Studios
    Sonical Studios Member Posts: 12 Member

    I have tried using USB midi devices and my hardware RME HDSPe RayDAT cards midi with same results. Im using the Abelton Link feature built into Maschine and Ableton to link the two so no midi clocks being sent and the only reason Im using that is because Maschine software don't play well with any external midi output → device.

    Setup is just 1 midi out going to 3 synths, midi ch 2, 3 and 4. Drops out unless you only have 1 midi out ticked in Maschine's settings so that means no komplete keyboard at the same time cause it adds another channel witch makes a dropout happen. THEY NEED TO FIX…. I cant tour with this!

  • Sonical Studios
    Sonical Studios Member Posts: 12 Member

    I should mention my setup is a Maschine MK3 and a Komplete s49 MK2. Using just the Maschine this problem does not happen

  • 6xes
    6xes Member Posts: 924 Guru

    i wish you luck with seeing the fix take place with NI's software….

    perhaps it will come before the turn of the century…

    you'll likely have better luck looking for workarounds…

    in either case

    good luck with your search for a solution

  • Sonical Studios
    Sonical Studios Member Posts: 12 Member
    edited May 6

    Thanks mate, same here.

    It's part of the MIDI standard and if they can't supply that they can't call it MIDI.

    MIDI has standards. Has been around for decades. If they can't get that right they should not sell the Maschine or Komplete keyboard with a MIDI Out. It's a software problem so it can be fixed. they just don't think it's Important. NOT OK guys!

  • Sonical Studios
    Sonical Studios Member Posts: 12 Member

    Yes I know MID like the back of my hand, Sending to chs 2, 3 and 4 and receiving same on the synths. It works great it just cuts out after 1-10 mins. Usually 1-2 mins then gone….need to close Maschine software and reopen if using USB midi but using my hardware midi device I have to restart my PC before its back.

  • 6xes
    6xes Member Posts: 924 Guru
    edited May 6

    have you looked at bomes midi translator pro for routing??

    its quite a neat application for routing midi… it may possibly be a solution for your situation if you re looking for a workaround…

    essentially your midi din would be passed to where it needs to go via the Bome virtual midi ports… a midi usb based midi din hub… could take midi in… and then be channeled to where you want it to go… bypassing maschines ports.. *shrugs not sure how it might work or if it would work…

    it something i havent had a need for as far as midi din hubs are concerned…. although i have Bomes midi translator pro… and used it with midi din with sucess… your milage may vary

    but it is a very useful peice of midi software one for the toolbox!!

  • Sonical Studios
    Sonical Studios Member Posts: 12 Member

    I have been doing the same thing with Ableton but the problem is Maschine software stops sending no matter what so I need to record all parts in Ableton Live and use "Link" to connect the two but rewinding both to make sure they are sinked, gets real annoying and kills the workflow. Should work out of the box. This should not be shrugged aside by them. It's the basic MIDI standard and they are not keeping it. SOOOOO much wasted creation time

  • Sonical Studios
    Sonical Studios Member Posts: 12 Member

    Honestly think I might sell this and get an MPC. Something professional. This is a joke

  • Sonical Studios
    Sonical Studios Member Posts: 12 Member

    Native Instruments haven't read it or replied so they must not care. Every problem like this……IGNORED!

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