Ask me anything: Kontrol S-Series MK3

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  • Matthew_NI
    Matthew_NI Product Team Posts: 1,286 mod
  • aventham77
    aventham77 Member Posts: 12 Member
    edited September 2023

    Will it be possible to navigate between parameter groups and toggle between edit and performance mode using the buttons above the screen on a KK mk2?

    And/or will these functions be midi-mappable?

  • Yarda
    Yarda Member Posts: 4 Newcomer

    Hello.

    If I buy the S88 mk3, but I only have the Komplete 13 Ultimate library for now, will there be a problem with the controller working properly? Thank you.

  • Drifter
    Drifter Member Posts: 22 Member

    Was asking about sample visualization. The grain tab in Ashleigh for example. Being able to edit it from the keyboard with the visual information on display. Or the arpeggiator visualization in the sample tab

  • Matthew_NI
    Matthew_NI Product Team Posts: 1,286 mod
    edited September 2023

    No. The MK2 has NKS 1 support, but will not be receiving NKS 2 support. The parameter iconography and user experience (e.g. the weight, throw, and scale of the knobs ((e.g. a toggle button requires a super quick turn left or right, rather than a tedious rotation until halfway is passed)) ) is rendered on-device, a capability the MK2 does not have.

    NKS 2 can be thought of as a ton of added features that new hardware can take advantage of, but from a content development perspective, authors fully map NKS such that it will be compatible across ALL hardware. It's just the new hardware that can display and do a bit more with that information.

  • Matthew_NI
    Matthew_NI Product Team Posts: 1,286 mod

    No issues - it's backwards compatible with all content we have ever produced. In fact, you'll see old content already looks a lot better and has some improved parameter metadata (we took advantage of information Kontakt already could provide).

  • Chris_NI
    Chris_NI Product Team Posts: 53 mod

    Its not exactly the same as the MK2, it now has direct connection to Kontakt, with how the focus follow works is an improvement. We are also evaluating further improvements with our DAW partners in the coming months and scheduling this into our roadmap once we have a solid approach.

    Custom chord sets have been on our mind for a while, but cannot commit to anything at the moment with all of the other priorities we have.

  • Matthew_NI
    Matthew_NI Product Team Posts: 1,286 mod

    Got it - not yet.

    I can tell you why not yet, but also acknowledge your idea would be awesome if we ever figured out a scalable way to do it.

    The input to the NKS metadata map (think of this map as the thing that tells our hardware what is what, where to go and what to display) is parameters with an automation ID. The parameter has to be exposed to the host software by the plug-in, so that we can see and connect to it, and then do the things the map tells us to do (e.g. if a waveform, display waveform... if a toggle display a toggle).

    The graphical representation of the sample is obviously a separate construct. The automatable controls built around it can be mapped, but there's nothing about the graphical representation that is exposed to a host today. For us to display this on the keyboard would be a custom solution. Not impossible, but if we were to instrument a method by which we could replicate or mirror that UI on the keyboard screen, I certainly wouldn't want that to be limited to Ashlight. I'd want it to be scalable so that other plug-ins could use it. Doable? Absolutely. A lot of work? You bet. A potential improvement as NKS continues to grow on this new hardware platform. Could be!

    For the Arpeggiator, it's somewhat of a similar story, but with more nuance. Today, there is Play Assist in Komplete Kontrol. There is also Play Assistance type stuff in a number of our 1st or 3rd party instruments. It's not uncommon for a piece of content to contain an Arp or Sequencer. At NI, we are thinking about the role of Play Assistance across our product line holistically. Not to say it will become homogenous, but at least designed with more cohesion across the product lines.

    1. Step 1 is to get the existing Play Assist into the MK3 keyboard standalone starting this year (we would not remove it from KK for users of older hardware).
    2. Step 2 is to improve what Play Assist is capable of in general
    3. Step 3 is to bring those capabilities into our product lines to varying degrees

    It is very likely you'd continue to find that content products contain scales and arps and whatnot, separately to the keyboard, because we're thinking of the keyboard as a standalone, expressive MIDI generative instrument the more time passes.

  • aventham77
    aventham77 Member Posts: 12 Member

    What I was wondering was whether you might consider back-porting the navigation between groupings and between performance and edit modes to the mk2 buttons, or midi-mappable buttons, without those other parameter-level enhancements, seeing as there is an effectively identical row of buttons above the screens on the mk2 that isn't really doing a lot else at the moment.

    Are there any plans to develop nks 1 or is it now a dead end?

  • Drifter
    Drifter Member Posts: 22 Member

    Also this has probably been asked before but what doors open up once DAWs have MIDI 2.0 implementation? What does that make possible that wouldn't have been before?

  • mmk_music
    mmk_music Member Posts: 40 Member

    With NKS2 mapping being much more efficient for third party developers, what level of adoption do you anticipate?

    I don’t know if you are able to share any companies that are actively working on it but.. would LOVE to see two big guns like Spectrasonics and UVI jump on board.

  • Drifter
    Drifter Member Posts: 22 Member

    Also how difficult or easy will it be for Reaktor users to create NKS mappings for their user libraries?

  • Matthew_NI
    Matthew_NI Product Team Posts: 1,286 mod

    That is certainly appreciated! Back at you. We've not properly met, but I've become well acquainted with your forum moderation, and curated wishlists in the last 1.5 years since joining NI. I wish more could change for the better faster, but we intend to get there. I completely understand where users have impatience in the meantime, much as we've had turbulence and impatience internally too. It's reasonable that some folks might be skeptical until proven otherwise, but things are in a really good place these days. We have dedicated and passionate teams focused on building cool things, from the top down. Our new owners very much understand that the growth they expect can only come from building things people will want to use, which some corners of the internet tend to forget 😁.

    And on the PR front, AMAs are intended to be unfiltered, IMHO. The sooner we can move from debate to dialogue (which I appreciate has been happening thanks to folks on this thread), the better. It's also simultaneously true that 1) reading some of what people write isn't easy and 2) it's part of the job, particularly if users are unhappy. I'm also not afraid to be direct in return.

    And let's be honest - I'll still be on the forums after the 29th, when this AMA officially ends. And we've already said we'll do one for Maschine. I imagine we'll do several for Maschine. Because even when the next updates ship*, and/or we can tease the updates beyond that, it's been sufficiently long that no amount of feature improvement will be enough for some.

    *For folks who haven't seen, in some of the posts I alluded to having a build of Maschine Plus with VST3 and Polyphonic Aftertouch support, that we hope to get at least to beta in Q4 2023, if not shipped.

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