NKS User Library

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  • JesterMgee
    JesterMgee Member Posts: 2,447 Expert

    The files will work so you can load NKS presets.

    Images, no idea but if they all need updates that will be a long time coming (if ever) since i've only just come to the end of updating libraries already to VST3, going back and spending weeks/months updating images isn't thrilling me at all.

    As usual there is close to no info that will be available to us plebs on the new NKS format so it will require a lot of reverse engineering and probably a new set of tools I will have to develop and likely I will be forced to buy a new keyboard even tho I really do not want one, I personally do not see any benefit or improvements for my use, honestly I am really not sure I even want to at the moment, it's really started to become more hassle than worth lately and i'm doing everything in my power at the moment to not simply pull the pin on further NKS support on my end.

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,233 Guru

    We know so little at this point..

    At this initial stage, pretty exciting to imagine how things might evolve.

  • JesterMgee
    JesterMgee Member Posts: 2,447 Expert

    Some of us know a lot more than others, just cannot disclose for legal reasons

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,233 Guru

    Then why did you just state:

    As usual there is close to no info that will be available to us plebs on the new NKS format so it will require a lot of reverse engineering and probably a new set of tools

  • JesterMgee
    JesterMgee Member Posts: 2,447 Expert

    Because info on the actual NKS standard is not something NI ever disclose unless you are a developer. There are some things tho that some know that others don’t, but the actual useful info is “secret” tho anyone with time and a hex editor can figure it out, would just be nice to not have to spend days doing it…

  • dre4ever
    dre4ever Member Posts: 11 Member
  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,684 mod
    edited September 2023

    I'm amazed that to this day people like you and some others in this thread don't get offered the official NKS documentation that they send to plugin development companies... If anything you guys help people stick with NI sw/hw by proving what they or some 3rd parties don't. It could even be a stripped-down version in case there's any sensitive info there that could be used maliciously, which I doubt it would anyway... People will figure it out regardless, why hide it in a transparent box? I don't get it

    Even smaller indie devs could use it.

  • Diam
    Diam Member Posts: 200 Helper

    All looks and sounds cool. It would be nice to know however, if the mk2 users will be getting a firmware/software update to control Kontakt too. We have been waiting to see multis in Komplete Kontrol for a good while. It is highly possible that development for the current firmware has now ceased, but I guess we will know soon enough.

  • Home Studio
    Home Studio Member Posts: 51 Member

    no way that Kontakt will be "working" alone with MKI & MHII keys

  • Vagus
    Vagus Member Posts: 393 Pro

    It's an entirely different tech stack for MK3. I'm disappointed too, but sometimes, you have to bite the bullet to move the Standard forward. @EvilDragon Has posted some good insights on the VI Control forum, which is worth reading.

  • Diam
    Diam Member Posts: 200 Helper

    Interesting to know. I will definitely explore that. I am still using Kontakt 6 myself so won't be migrating for now. I am still intrigued to see how they evolve the platform though.

    Maybe some amazing tech geek will develop a new script, as I am sure it is a feasible task. Just dreaming of course.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia Member Posts: 3,453 Expert
    edited September 2023

    Yeah that would be nice but my main aim has always been to push NI into providing the tools to the masses and opening it all up. NKS 2 looks a bit too complicated for that now and at the moment I think will be firmly in the hands of developers (being based in Kontakt scripting) but I think NKS 1 will have to remain because that is basically built on the foundation of live mapping of plugins within the KK environment so they can't remove it without making it impossible for someone to just map a few plugin knobs to KK knobs and then save that as a NKS patch. So I think we have a stronger case now for NI to make the tools to create NKS 1 more open, while they can keep the NKS 2 stuff more with NKS partners (we can however hack the graphics to make NKS 1 look better in the new screens - I've already worked that part out).

  • jakx92
    jakx92 Member Posts: 32 Member

    @JesterMgee You've frequently said you'll probably be closing up shop soon. I'm a happy customer of yours, and while I'd hate to see you shut down, I also think you need to do what's best for you and your life. However, I wonder what you're going to do with the presets you've already made? It'd be ashame to see all that work just disappear down the memory hole. For blind people at least, your work is a resource that provides access to instruments we otherwise wouldn't be able to use. Will you at least keep the site up, or donate the presets to the NKS User library?

  • JesterMgee
    JesterMgee Member Posts: 2,447 Expert

    I am not closing any time soon, it 100% depends on if the income covers costs, that is literally how realistic it is and in the last few months times have been very tough on my end.

    I have my webspace covered for another year so even if I simply stop it is still available for that time. I always stress people need to maintain backups because if I were to simply die then it would disappear anyway so can never rely on it forever.

    Reality in my case is I have lost the paid work I have been doing for the last few years that afforded me time to do what I do and manage this project. Current times have hit a lot of businesses hard and the guy I have been working for just isn't making money at the moment so had to put me off for a while (indefinitely) so I have no income at the moment and need to look into a more stable income before things get serious. I fear with a full time job I just will not have time to develop more NKS, just maintain what I have.

    If the new MK3 really takes off and a new influx of users boosts things then that may just keep things going longer but fact is I need a stable source of income because NKS libraries just don't cover the insane rising cost of this world. So to answer your question honestly, no idea I am afraid.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia Member Posts: 3,453 Expert
    edited September 2023

    Made a NKS template for Wilderbeast an old Reaktor ensemble, originally by David Hobson, that Donovan Stringer and I modded years ago - I was noodling with it today and thought a NKS version might make this a bit easier to use so here it is - took ages to redo all the automation assignments in the ensemble as it was a bit lot of a mess:

    https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-library/entry/show/6487/

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