Full live sets on the M+?
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How on earth is it possible that in 2023 Native Instruments still hasn’t implemented the ability to make a tempo change in a project/scene?
It boggles my mind. been asking for 14 years now?!
MPCs from the ‘90s could do this…. What am I missing here?
if this feature was implemented it would be a breeze to create a whole live performance with a single project no problem. So frustrated (since Maschine mk1) still here waiting….
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This subject got my attention as I’m also trying to make a live set but stumble along the way. I do have a MK3 for a few years but only created songs so far, no live sets.
what I’m wondering about is the tempo change question, I can make music and press the tempo button and change the tempo with the main encoder. Or didn’t I understand the problem?
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Yes that’s the obvious easy fix to the tempo change. It’s not difficult. I guess many expect to be able to add automated tempo change which is a nice feature but doesn’t exist still.
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One thing to add on the 'one group per song' approach that I don't think anyone's mentioned yet: you can load new groups while the Maschine+ is playing, without having to stop. This is hugely useful, is a huge saver on CPU (and with every song saved as a separate group, I don't have to spend much time maintaining my master live project when I change my setlist or add new songs).
I've been using Maschine+ as the brain of my live setup for 2+ years now, and this is the approach I've landed on through a lot of trial and error:
- Group A & B: empty slots - I treat these as my 'DJ decks', that I can load individual songs onto. Once I've transitioned from a song in Group A to the song in Group B, I'll load the next song I want to play into Group A. This stops me maxing out CPU as I've only ever got 2 songs active at any one time.
- Group C: Drums - a kick, and some simple patterns that I can use (only used as a backup: I use an external drum machine most of the time)
- Group D: transitions and FX loops that I can launch when transitioning between the tracks on Groups A & B
- Groups E-H: set up to control external synths/my modular via MIDI (so I can improvise with new patterns outside of my prepared 'songs' in the groups)
Two things worth calling out about using Maschine+ in a live context:
- If you can find a secondhand Maschine Jam, get it! It's an amazing companion to M+, and gives you so much more hands on control and avoids menu diving in the middle of a live set
- Have a backup device (I use an Elektron Analog Rytm or Syntakt for drums): the M+ is reasonably stable, but it still does somtimes freeze / crash and takes a little while to restart. Having a separate instrument that lets me keep the beat running while I've had to restart M+ has saved me a couple of times :)
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Nice system!
question: when you load a new group over top of the current one in group A or B, does the new group keep any routing you have set up? Such as effects sends to an fx group
or - can you save each group with any routing/plugins you want and it will just automatically load that way?
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Routings within the group, as well as external routings (e.g. MIDI to external synths) are saved, but I haven't been able to get routings to other groups to work.
As a workaround I keep my FX within the group / on individual sounds - as I only ever have 2 'active' groups at a time, CPU isn't as much of a problem. But cutting every track down to 16 pads is a bit of a limitation that I've learned to live with 😅
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I do not believe lock states save tempo sadly
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Ahh gotcha. Just wondering about the logistics of, say, having a separate compressor on your drums in this setup. Or, how to side chain the melodic aspects to the kick. If every part of one song is all contained in one group this could be tricky in Maschine
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I'll often have a ghost kick within the group to sidechain melodic elements & bass.
Compressing drums as a group is something I've had to give up on to make this approach work - as a partial workaround I'll compress the individual hits that I really need to punch through the mix. But honestly these days I do a lot of my 'standard' drums outside the Maschine+ on my Syntakt or Analog Rytm, and only keep specific percussion samples that are unique to a particular track within the Maschine group.
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Try perform with maschine jam it's a piece of cake
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No, you use send fx or aux fx. I usually have a group separate for fx and route the desired pads or other groups to the sends. Load a compressor on an empty pad and go to your desired sound to route to the compressor. To get the side chain you will need a ghost kick. Just put the kick on 4x4 and mute the pad, the signal will trigger the compressor of course so all the sounds routed there will get the sidechain vibe.
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pad mutes are great though because they do not cut off the audio (they cut off the MIDI), resulting in perfect transitions. If you switch audio outputs, that must be done in time with the music or it might sound choppy, unless that is the flavour youre going for
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