I hate maschine scene/group. How to use with 4/8/16 bar patterns while changing drum kit patterns?

LeoMajor
LeoMajor Member Posts: 36 Member
edited May 21 in Maschine

Like all I want to do is copy the 8 bars and then edit them slightly for the next 8 bars. But I can't change the pattern on 1 part of the scene without it changing the other part.

I can't easily and copy and paste the scene over to another group. Without basically re doing the entire "scene"

Like I miss maschine 1.0 so much.

Can someone refer me to a DAW where I can use all of machine sounds and actually make my beat in 8 bars at a time instead of whatever complicated ****** this scene/pattern stuff is?

I Know I'm not explaining myself well enough and I Couldn't be bothered right now. I can take screenshots later.

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  • LeoMajor
    LeoMajor Member Posts: 36 Member

    Nvm I figured it out. No clue how I did it but at least now I can change the pattern on the "main" without it changin the pattern on the "intro"

    This will work. That's all i want. None of these scenee/groups complicated I'm gonna have 8 seconds of my song have a hipass and 8 seconds with a lowpass and then 8 seconds with a hi hat with this pattern and then 6 seconds with a hi hat with this pattern or whatever the heck it's for.

    I don't know why they changed it from maschine 1 to 2 like this but I'm sure it's better for most people. It's probably over my head but idc. All I need is something where I can write a 8/16/32 bar loop and change up the pattern throughout it. (I remember FL being like that)

    If anyone has a clue what I am trying to say and some good tutorial videos to link for me for maschine 2.0/mk2 let me know.

    Alsofeel free to delete this post

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  • LeoMajor
    LeoMajor Member Posts: 36 Member
    edited May 21

    This may look silly to some people but this is how I want to do it. (Unless I make a 2nd group of sounds which I'm sure I will eventually separate the drum kit from the melodys… I am just screwing around and learning how to use it right now)

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    I just want to do 4/8 bar chunks and change up the pattern of the drum kit or cut off a melody or whatever the heck I want to do with this format.

    If anyone sees what I am doing and had suggestions for me whether it's a video, a different DAW, or to streamline what I am doing on maschine please let me know.

    I don't wnat to have group 1 scene 1 trasition into group 2 scene 1 then group 2 scene 2 then group 3 scene 4 or whatever. That seems like complicated EDM kinda stuff where the beat is changing all the time.

    All I want to do is make boom baps or even "Trap beats" (Not really) where I can change the drum pattern.

    Like for example I love Appollo brown boom baps and it's pretty obvious he just uses like an old AKAI and samples some stuff then loops it and bam, you got 8/16 bar loop with the drums/pattern never changing.

    I want in between the two. A nice old boom bap sounding 8/16 bar cook but I actually change up the drum kit and maybe even the melody (drops or some ******) throughout it.


    Any advice other then learn how to use maschine 2.0 scenes/groups properly? lmao


    (Don't mind the hat spam in the main part It's just me listening for the change, not to sound good lmao)

  • tetsuneko
    tetsuneko Member Posts: 875 Expert

    So, you want to learn how to use Maschine 2.. without having to learn Maschine 2?

    I'm confused

  • ALDREAD
    ALDREAD Member Posts: 463 Pro
    edited May 24
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/227309#Comment_227309

    in the settings , there’s a setting for linked duplicated sections , what happens when that is active , is if you duplicate a scene , they will be linked and any change in one will change in the other

    So turn that off if you don’t want that to happen , there’s a checkbox under Default/scene/section

    There also a setting to create a new pattern when duplicating scenes , you probably want to switch that on

    Under default/ scene/section / duplicate/ scene and pattern

    You can also unlink a scene by right clicking on the scene to bring up the scene menu


    they are handy workflow features because sometimes you might have the same scene/section at different parts of your track , and you’d only need to edit one , instead of editing both

    Once you’re more experienced with maschine , you may find it comes in handy

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,700 mod

    Or just duplicate the Scene/Pattern prior to editing. This way, you edit a copy and not the original. The concept is quite simple once you try it.

  • BigPictureSound
    BigPictureSound Member Posts: 92 Helper
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/227475#Comment_227475

    Been using Maschine for 10 years and never knew this 🤪. Still, isn't it easier to just use clips and not worry about managing 100 patterns with subtle variations? Well, it is for me, at least.

    Clips all the way 👌

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,533 Legend

    It’s quite difficult to understand OP issues, since Maschine workflow is EXACTLY created to have the possibility to duplicate a pattern and have various “versions” (with some differences) to try things out that then will be put into scenes (and from there build a song).

    What I suspect is that this workflow is simply not clicking with you… and that you are trying to apply some other programs workflow to Maschine.

    Like all programs, Maschine needs to at least have a look at how it works in order to be understood.

    Try to have a look at this tutorial to see if things get clearer for you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YofiWNwHhP8
  • ALDREAD
    ALDREAD Member Posts: 463 Pro
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/227832#Comment_227832

    yeah I think they added that about 7 years ago

    It’s under Default

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  • Astralbeats_225
    Astralbeats_225 Member Posts: 68 Advisor
    edited 8:27PM

    You could also load your 1st scene into the song mode and then convert it to clips. Now it's completely unique, then duplicate the 1st 8 bars to make a 2nd 8 bars. Now edit/remove whatever you want from the individual clip(s). You can do this as many times as you like until you get a full song.

    Edit ( this is more of a DAW arranger workflow) where your copying audio/midi event (bubbles) multiple times to build a whole song.

    I do it like this because I suck at arranging in my head. I have to hear it. So I build in 8 or 16 bar sections until I have intro ,hook/chorus, verse 1, then hook 2. after that the rest becomes easy for me.

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