NKS Development Discussion

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  • Sunborn
    Sunborn NKS User Library Mod Posts: 3,081 mod
    edited December 24
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/199891#Comment_199891

    Everything known (and available to public) is here, in the PDF's:

    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/28565/nks-user-guides

    Few more info might still be here on this discussion, in some older comments.

  • Vagus
    Vagus Member Posts: 487 Guru

    I save all of mine manually, but you can use a screen recorder to do the process - pulling preset names to save into KK's export from either VST preset names, a database etc.

  • trusampler
    trusampler Member Posts: 262 Advisor

    Thanks guys!

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,005 mod
    edited December 24

    I'm on Mac and use the built in Automator app to save some, but it only works well with plugins like Phaseplant and Myth that are easy to copy/paste the preset name from. I guess there is stuff like that on Windows too. There are some macro tools that can do things like OCR to capture preset names but a lot of hassle to setup. Otherwise I do it manually if there are not a lot of presets, if there are too many or they are not good quality I don't bother and just use the template for control, or in many cases I have just saved my own presets as NKS and ignored the factory patches completely (eg for my Noise engineering NKS) - or just save the ones you actually like - some plugins come with a lot of filler.

  • trusampler
    trusampler Member Posts: 262 Advisor
    edited December 24

    Thanks , do you guys know if NI ever plan's on offering us some better tools for better managing this in the future ? Even Akai in their VIP Software, many moons ago allowed for the option to " get preset names " and it was a breeze to just press the inc + and step and auto save patches.

    There's so many obvious ways, they could improve our workflow for saving sounds, and working with NKS workflow features.

    Komplete Kontrol has some age on it now, and when I ponder back to Kore for example, it's mind boggling how much further along they we're in many ways, like support for ( Fx Chains,Multi-timbral instruments, Routing,Advanced Midi support).

    I really do scratch my head sometimes, wondering what has happened to the NI I grew up loving..

    I'm in the middle of trying to save my Montage M favorite patches, there's so many of them,and I hit a brick wall, when trying to edit my template, the Montage Super Knob uses Midi CC's ( cc 95 + cc 92 ) and with Komplete Kontrol, it seems it only supports host automation, and they left out the ability for us to map midi cc's. Is there any work around for this ?

  • Sunborn
    Sunborn NKS User Library Mod Posts: 3,081 mod
    edited December 24

    This is what i do for preset names, you might find it useful and fast. But, its for Windows only.

    Copy Name List to Clipboard

    It is a simple Registry command, for folders. You go to any preset folder, right-click on it and choose the command. It copies everything in less than a second and then i paste on a text editor (such as Notepad).

    List.png

    Now i have all the names, in alphabetical order.

    εικόνα.png

    Then i do a simple "Replace" to remove the extension.
    In this case .syx to replaced by nothing

    εικόνα.png

    Now my preset list is ready! 😉

    Here is the registry command:

    Copy Name List to Clipboard.zip

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,005 mod

    How do you use the preset list to generate NKS though? On Mac I don't think Automator is able to copy consecutive names from a list and paste them into new files.

  • Kymeia
    Kymeia NKS User Library Mod Posts: 5,005 mod
    edited 10:31AM
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/199920#Comment_199920

    Yes NI Kore could completely import preset banks and convert them to .ksd - but only for plugins using fxb/fxp which is the standard VST2 preset format. Same with VIP and its predecessor Zen. But back then fxb was more commonly used for preset banks. However since the move to VST3, although some plugins do use VST3's standard preset format (.vstpreset), there is no standard bank format, and most devs moved away from standard formats anyway to create numerous proprietary ones so what Kore (and VIP) could do would no longer be possible. You would need a different import method for almost every different company - far harder in practice than even translating between the various sample formats.

  • Sunborn
    Sunborn NKS User Library Mod Posts: 3,081 mod
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/199938#Comment_199938

    Well, that's when the hard work begins. Copy-paste, copy-paste, copy-paste…. and so on.

    But at least i have all the names there, ready… no need to write them by hand or do some other, time consuming "techniques" (save as —> copy name —> cancel or, rename —> copy name —> cancel etc etc).

    Of course on some plugins things are more easy, you just double-click on the name and its ready to copy, but still, my method is faster.

    About automation and macros… i am totally useless with them, i never even understood what i'm supposed to do 😋 on the other hand, with scripts and codes i am far more comfortable

  • Sunborn
    Sunborn NKS User Library Mod Posts: 3,081 mod
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/199939#Comment_199939

    although some plugins do use VST3's standard preset format (.vstpreset), there is no standard bank format, and most devs moved away from standard formats…

    In many cases, they are .xml files, "masked" under a new extension.

  • trusampler
    trusampler Member Posts: 262 Advisor

    Thanks Sunborn and Kymeia , I’m hoping NI adds some new workflow features that will assist us in this soon.

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