Confusion regarding Komplete 15 standard, if I already own Komplete 14 ultimate collectors edition
Hi, If I purchase Komplete 15 standard will my Komplete 14 ultimate collectors edition instruments still work, as I really only want the 2 new tools ( chords and Phrases and Kontact 8).
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This is because a move TO Standard FROM CE is not an "update". It would be a massive downgrade.
Moving back to Standard after being at the CE level is not logical . The dramatic reduction in product makes no sense.
The only "update" that does make sense (and gives you bet value) is K14 CE to K15CE.
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They should - you are licensed for them. But you will be paying full freight for K15 Standard.
As long as you wallet can handle it - there is no limit to how many licenses you can have.
However - if you just want Kontakt 8 - just buy that - I expect that Chords and Phrases are part of K8 anyway.
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I was told in an email from NI that I am unable to "update" to Komplete 15 Standard from Komplete 14 Ultimate Collector's Edition and that I'd have to buy it standalone at full price. Their website offers it to me as I had purchased Komplete 13 Standard back in the day.
I'm waiting to hear back from them but I feel well and truly stung for spending the most money as a loyal customer.
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This is because a move TO Standard FROM CE is not an "update". It would be a massive downgrade.
Moving back to Standard after being at the CE level is not logical . The dramatic reduction in product makes no sense.
The only "update" that does make sense (and gives you bet value) is K14 CE to K15CE.
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^ This. 1000% this!
There is no reason to downgrade from "anything CE" to "anything else Standard".
Either you can afford to go from "anything CE" to "K15 CE" or you can't. If you can, do it if it works in your budget. If you can't, then don't. Kontakt 7 is still pretty damned good and won't stop working anytime soon.
But here's the good news! You have lots of options. Here are just a few possibilities.
- Wait until you can afford it.
- Wait until next summer's sale. It might be as much as 50% off, who knows.
- If you absolutely, positively "must have" Kontakt 8, then buy it separately. But I wouldn't do that, I'd rather work extra jobs or something and just get the CE upgrade. You're not me, so do it however you would like.
- If you "ain't got the money", then I would recommend having a good hard look at all the subscriptions you have. Everybody has some subscriptions they can get rid of. Or skip eating out for a few weeks.
Good luck to @eldeedubya and @Uproot .
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You guys know that if you buy Standard because you are interested in just a couple of products included in it this doesn’t mean that you’ll lose everything that you already have because you still own previous CE version, do you?
Let’s list all the products, since you seem so confused (hoping I made my homework correctly)
If you own 14 CE and buy the new 15 Standard, what you will have is:
ALL the products you already own with 14 CE (no, they won’t disappear…)
plus
- Kontakt 8
- GR 7 Pro
- Ozone 11 Standard
- Electric Keys Diamond
- Electric Keys phoenix
- Rudiments
- Session Percussionist
- Conflux
- Scene: Saffron
- Brazzazian Tape
- Bouquet
- Duets
- Feel it
- Glaze 2
- Homage
- Nacht
- Stacks
- Sway
- Utopia
- Trash
- Vocal Synth 2
Plus some BX and other brands products
Oh…and with Kontakt 8, also
Phrases
ChordsYes, CE is the best value (if you want to buy expansions that maybe you didn’t want just because the price is good…I also made it multiple times). Not arguing about the value here, since owning 14 CE, updating to 15 CE is only 499. But the concept about having products reduced is not correct. More than that: next time you will also have a CE version AND a Standard version that will give you access to both Update paths, with Standard’s reduced price, if interested. So…you’ll spend same amount this time getting fewer products BUT can start sparing 300 from next time (if not interested in the extras)
Yes, NI doesn’t make offers on this path (because they don’t want, not because is not a valid path that gives you anyway many new products. In facts, all the products you would receive is probably the exact reason: 199 for all these products would probably be a too good offer). And NI not offering any path for people owning a “bigger” previous bundle and wanting to buy a “smaller” one is the only reason why updating to same tier is so advantageous.
But…
There is no reason????
Dramatic reduction in products????1 -
To give a complete overview, these are the ulterior products you’ll get if updating from 14 CE to 15 CE (not too many, if you aren’t interested in Expansions):
- Upright Bass
- Icon Bass
- Acoustic Sunburst Deluxe
- Session Ukulele
- Spotlight Collection Ireland
- Fables
- Kithara
- Schema Dark
- Schema Light
- Vocal Colors
- Valves Pro
Plus the Expansions that came out after 14 release.
If interested, more than worthy the price (specially if the Expansions are also of interest, otherwise there is also the option of Ultimate, that practically gives all the instruments/fxs but not the Expansions).
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100% agreed. User "should" still have access to what they did previously with 14CE.
I think you nailed it with the "$199 steal of a deal." NI is not going to do that.
But for conversation sake - it would be interesting to see what would happens IF this was an option and see exactly what is active and what is not on the other side of it.
We are speculating that one would still get their "old" product. But by the book - IF this odd "upgrade" scenario was actually possible - the end result would be a "fused" Standard license. And we all know what a Standard license gets a user.
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I'm not sure if this would work or not, but if you bought your way up to CE through Standard and Ultimate, then you'd technically own each level separately, so you should qualify for an update at any level, right? You actually would be updating from the lower-tiered product.
I can absolutely see a reason to want to update to a lower level if you don't need the incremental content at the higher level. That's also why some people might only update their Kontakt version. Different people, different needs.
As far as the account is concerned and as far as I can tell, each Komplete bundle just shows up as an amalgam of products to Native Access, so a "fused" license of different Komplete licenses would result in a distinct amalgam of products. For example, as a 14CE owner, if I buy K8 Standard on Knobcloud, I'd just add the products that were in K8 and later discontinued; it'd be a fine (if questionable) choice.
Of course, this is all idle product line speculation on my part. I don't make the rules or enforce them. Caveat emptor. :)
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I don’t understand why you use “should” or “speculating”.
This is how it is. Until I don’t sell my previous “bigger” version, all its products remain in my account. (Unless you are referring to NI habit to abandon or make some previous products not accessible…but usually you justify this 😏)
And this will answer also to @iamadan: I say this out of experience. In my account I have older versions of different tiers. Therefore I have access to almost all update/upgrade paths.
And luckily you don’t need last version of a tier to take advantage of updates. People owning e.g. Komplete 9 Ultimate can use the update path to 15 Ultimate even if they don’t own subsequent versions.
Btw: this “odd upgrade scenario” is actually possible. You can buy next 15 in whatever tier you want and still keep all your previous products. Simply NI doesn’t offer a better price for it.
The end result will be a 14 CE license AND a 15 Standard license…no fusion (let’s leave this kind of things to chefs and their cooking styles ☺️…even if…rethinking this similitude, even there the result will be the same: if I buy today an Italian dish and tomorrow an Asian dish, I won’t end up with an Italian-Asian fusion…but with 2 distinct dishes, even if some of the ingredients are the same 😂)
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Fair enough.
So just tested this - by logging into my NI Account and then accessing the store to see what I could "pre-order" for K15 product.
First - let's try K15 ULT (coming from K14 ULT) :
The store selects the "best" option for me - which is to "update" my existing K14 ULT license.
But I can also manually select any of the other options and buy at those "full" prices if I want. Oddly - I can even select "Upgrade for Standard" and get this:
Seems the store "looks" to my much older KOMPLETE 13 Update in my account (which I believe was my K13 Select for S-Series → K13 Update (Standard) and will let me use that as a stepping stone to K15 Ultimate too. Interesting.
Then (while still logged into my NI Account) - if I try to pre-order K15 Standard:
The store completely ignores my K14 ULT license and again uses my "KOMPLETE 13 Update" as its base product and allows me to pre-order K15 Standard - which will logically become another Komplete license) in my account. Leaving me with my existing licence for K14ULT and a new K15 Standard License.
So my takeaway is that - without this new discovery of this "K13 Select for S-Series → K13 Update (Standard)" in my account - I would not be able to do anything here with Standard.
I could only "update" to K15 ULT from my existing K14ULT license. And a KOMPLETE downgrade is not possible as suspected.
It is kinda cool that I do have the ability to add another Komplete license to my kit (if required).
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Hey, @Vocalpoint, thanks for doing all of that testing and for posting the screen shots. Hopefully, that will help people understand how it all works.
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No prob :)
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Exactly.
Which, even if NI can defend this politic, is a quite strange way to offer updating paths.
Even if someone owns more products (e.g. by owning 14 CE), he still must pay more to eventually buy a Standard license only because he doesn’t have a previous Standard license in his account.
Quite a (clever?) way to keep people buying bigger tiers (even when they don’t need/want them).
But, out of honesty, these offers prices are quite good and it’s difficult to complain
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"Which, even if NI can defend this politic, is a quite strange way to offer updating paths"
Well - I am just very surprised that this "K13 Select for S-Series → K13 Update" actually represents an upgrade launch pad to a "new" Standard license.
This was clearly deposited in my account when I bought my S61 MKII but I never ever thought about it being an Komplete "upgrade level" to an additonal license. It does make sense tho.
Some good handy learning today :)
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It makes sense because having a previous Standard version in your account (k13 Standard), you have access to that path.
But I see you 2 have solved the dilemma and have everything under control, so no need for my presence
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