Is NI even paying attention to what Akai is doing?
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There's a big difference between and upgrade and an update. For instance a person might consider it an upgrade to switch products that suit them better. In reality, that's not an upgrade. Updates seem to be fixes for existing functions where as upgrades add new functions or improvements of some type. But that does not mean NI needs to improve or upgrade their product by adding functions available in some other product. Sounds to me like you bought one product then found another with features that better suits your needs and are blaming NI when it's not their problem.
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I believe they are and this is why they’ve hinted that a Maschine update is coming this year. The real question is whether they will deliver something competitive. Their track record recently on quality has been poor, and I would point to the Maschine Plus stability issues and “less than well received” Kontrol MK3 upgrade as supporting points. They have also missed all deadlines for feature additions to the Kontrol MK3 this year.
These product cycles have historically birthed different market leaders based on device functionality and ease of use. The MPC seems to be handily winning this round even before MPC3 was announced. Akai has demonstrated they can improve software implementation for their hardware better than NI has demonstrated an ability to improve its hardware integration with its software. I doubt this will change anytime soon as NI really seems to be struggling with resources imo.
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we can't even sell the Maschine+ for anywhere close to the price we bought it at
True, but not because it's a Maschine+ or because it's made by Native Instruments, or that it didn't get as many updates as another product. The reason is simply because it's now a second hand product.
Ditto for second hand products in general. This is how the world works (for most of us).
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Dude, I've owned vintage synths that held their value better & Elektron gear notoriously still goes for a pretty penny when it's used. The used price on the Maschine+ is absolutely horrendous for what you buy it new. That's a massive loss, compared to EVERY piece of production equipment I've ever owned & resold. $1500 (w/ taxes) brand new, at launch. Now $800 used, if you're lucky. The internet says Elektron's Monomachine (both machines), released 2004-2016, still cost about $2k on the used market. That's about the same price as it cost new at release.
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Of course you can find exceptions - things that have rocketed in value since release. Things that were almost worthless at one time, and now are worth a fortune.
I've got a few of them here, and I wouldn't sell them. I also recall things I sold cheaply, that I wish I still had (TB-303 for starters).
But in general second hand goods do not sell for anywhere near their original value.
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switching between boxes like we on tinder, hmm? You know theres always gonna be a better one right around the corner.. keep up or you end up with the wrong one ;)
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No offense, but dude doesn't seem to understand what market competition is. Believe me, NI staff would rather someone go to their forum and tell them, "MPC has been updated, and this update is excellent, but I still want to use maschine, please update maschine" than saying "If you want MPC, get the MPC".
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Sorry, the translation software made a mistake. This is my reply above: I really think you should learn to read subtexts. People asking for updates on the Internet is just an expression of expectation. The subtext is "I still like your company's products, please give me more reasons to continue to like them." You should not understand this expression of desire as a tough demand. There is a clear difference here. Under market conditions, it is a good thing for product companies that users express their needs to product companies. I don't understand what your role is, but you should not criticize people who make demands on products here. After all, this is a forum for product companies. Discussing product problems and product needs here is the meaning of this forum, isn't it?
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I wonder if we're gonna make the same argument for Kore, eh? "Kore isn't a worthless doorstop because of the decisions NI made with it…it's a worthless doorstop because the item is no longer brand new!"
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So… you would happily pay 200 EUR for a Maschine update to have feature parity with the MPC?
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Check out the prices for MPCs, it’s exactly the same as for Maschine.
Some examples:
The MPC Live went for 1300 EUR when it came out. Used prices are 400-500. The introductory price for the Force was 2000 EUR. Current retail is below 900!! Used prices 500-700. The One was introduced at 999 and is now around 600 retail. Price drops for the X are slightly better.
Computer based gear devalues quickly.
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will this ever stop?:)
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lol, I don't think so. lol
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Years ago, I gave away a Korg Trident to a friend as it was worth so little I couldn’t be bothered to sell it.They go for well over £5,000 now.
Sometimes products lose their value second hand and never regain.
Sometimes products lose value for a while, years even, then suddenly are worth silly money.
Sometimes a product remains sought after hence its second hand value remains high, but this isn’t the norm, especially with electronic gear.
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I heard the most sought after synths are the ones with a long ribbon slider above the keys. I'd like to have one where the slider is also pressure sensitive too.
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