"Please grant permission to Native Access to install dependencies" NTK - Google is FULL - fix it!

@Sunborn

Thanks for your responses. A lot to unpack there.

Will say this. Its too convoluted to give percentages and then bag someone into whether they fall into the greater or lesser percentage. Its not awlays black and white. There's usually unique circumstances, but for certain situations it is point blank on NI for some of the things folk have had to deal with. One example, It is not peoples fault when NI has put out a bug ridden NA that breaks someones system, and they have to do all sorts of workarounds they shouldn't have to do. Of their own volition NI have fully admitted time and again the issues with numerous apologies, which are appreciated until they become an out clause and meaningless.

As far as Googledrive goes, speaking from my own experience, I overlooked the issue of updating 2 libraries which then wouldn't load because they required a later Kontakt. So my first download for the older version off googledrive was successful. After that NO flippin WAY. I believe there was about 15 to 20 attempts. Many of them part way downlaoded then stopped. Some of them were "too many people have downloaded this file" and "quota used up" type messages. Those are not my fault and Ive seen this happening now to others on the forum. Its not their fault either.

In my case? Im no tech expert BUT Yes I typically have my computers security hardened. In short, default deny. However I tried on two separate computers. Linux and MacOS. I literally opened both of them up with ZERO protection. No firewall no blocking scripts, nothing. All flippin tracking cookies allowed, the lot. This made me ropable that I had to go to these extremes making my system wide open. Note, you won't see any vulgar language here, but anger? you bet.

In between all this, support gave me direct links to the file (Picked Accoustic) I was able to get that, but it was the wrong version. 1.1.0 - I wanted 1.0.0 - then this became a circle within the bigger circle. This happened a number of times. I kept getting sent the updated file. While this was going on I sent screenshots of logs in the Mac System I found PROVING the file was the updated one, not the earlier version. There was also a change of support person so I had to go over stuff again and again. There'd be gaps, sometimes weeks before I'd get an answer. This went on 3 months before I finally got it sorted. I spent many many, not hours, but DAYS all up trying to get this sorted. Im sorry but all this is still raw, and has left a bad taste in my mouth. It doesn't help when people blame the wrong person. People shouldn't be expected to be IP experts to run their software. The colour of all our money is the same. Yes we should do our due diligence, research to the best of our ability and those who are smarter than others should cut the less knowledgable a bit of slack. We all started somewhere.

I want to move on and get things updated. I very much like the NI products I use, and want this to work, but I still see blockades to that happening, and things just not getting fixed. example. Ive just seen a post about someone getting the new version of Picked Acoustic when they used the link to get the old verion. Unbelievable.

@Sunborn

But still, i don't understand one thing. Why you don't download that stuff through Native Access but you need Google?

You cant downgrade any products through NA. They always give you the latest version.

Calling someone stupid is usually taken as an insult. Please dont call me stupid if I dont fit your exceptions.

At this point in time, my system is all up and running, so nothing to download now but it was a horrendous nightmare to get it back for a little mistake. Believe me, what I just described above is no joke. I've been burnt by this HARD and it saddens me to see it still going on for others. I havn't been back to google because every attempt ended in failure.

To be clear, I have K14 UCE upgraded from K13 UCE. There's a variety of circumstances as to why at this time I dont want to use the latest versions of Kontakt, KK, and NA2/3. Im on Ventura so OS is fine. I can go to Sonoma but I like to be careful about updating early. Especially MacOS

@Sunborn

No, it is not myopic. Its simply beyond my logic why on Earth someone willingly stays on Windows 7!
Really, i can not understand it. I can respect it, sympathize it even, but i will never understand it.

Since
Windows 98 I have sacrificed and throw to the rubbish TONS of software
and any other kind of material, in order to move forward and obtain a
better technology (maybe is my Sagittarius sign that always push me forward! ☺️). I never regretted it.

And that is what you feel is right for you. What the person running Windows 7 (and accepting the limitations) is doing is what feels right for them.

There's a very distressing tendency, particularly on this board, for some people to be entirely and totally self-referential on issues rather than try to understand that someone else's experience of something may be totally different even on what seem like similar issues.

@Sunborn

Again thanks for your reponse.

Indeed what I have mentioned in this thread, including all the backing and forthing for months, is a direct result of googledrive which is a reprehensible waste of peoples time and is what this thread is about. To my knowledge it matters not if OP is still or isn't posting, and in the main I dont believe Ive gone off topic. Im sure there is some leeway here tho.

Contrary to what some people would prefer and keep MOANING about, this discussion needs to keep on happening in threads like this until something is done. Pushback can get results. I hope more people ring out loud and clear, that it is totally uncalled for expecting us to put up with this google nonsense.

"Please don't call me stupid"

I clearly wasn't referring to you or any other person in particular.
On the contrary, i consider you an intelligent person, that's why i
engaged with you in a deep and detailed conversation (a thing that i
rarely do, lately).
I was clearly referring to an action.
And i gave an example of it. It does not have to do with a person, any
person. Even the smartest and most brilliant can do stupid things
sometimes, it is part of life.
Specifically, i was referring to the denial of better and faster
technology for obscure (and usually illogical) reasons. Even so, it is
not a judgement. Its a fact. :-)

Thanks but you didn't quote my full sentence. I said:

"Please dont call me stupid if I dont fit your exceptions."

I dont fit any of them so in the interests of the English language, let me offer a little correction if you will. (I'll take your word that there was no intent to attack, and all that) Yes there is an action involved, which directly relates to someone having to choose that action, and therein lies the inference of stupidity. Stupidity doesnt happen on its own. Yes we all do stupid things, and its OK when we call ourselves stupid but not when others do, that is, if they want to engage in a respectful conversation.

Now I'll risk veering off a little to respond to what I think are important issues.

There's a very distressing tendency, particularly on this board, for
some people to be entirely and totally self-referential on issues rather
than try to understand that someone else's experience of something may
be totally different even on what seem like similar issues.

I cant agree more with this. Ive seen it happen time and again from a select few members and its VERY annoying and inconsiderate. When you get a very knowledgeable person posting, their help can be given in one of two ways, with respect and humility, or with condescension and self importance. Deep down the recipient greatly appreciates the former, and conversely the latter is greatly despised. Both with good reason.

Specifically, i was referring to the denial of better and faster
technology for obscure (and usually illogical) reasons. Even so, it is
not a judgement. Its a fact. :-)

I'll smile OK? :) - No I dont agree with this. The trouble with "obscure" is that its subjective, so I dont believe its a fact people are being obscure or illogical when they are quite happy with their systems running with older software. Remember MANY NI products in UCE have not been updated for years. I mean many years. Im of the view if you find a decent sound that you really love, it NEVER dates.

I wear my shoes til they wear out. Simple. As long as people dont expect NI to continue to offer support for old hardware, I can see the reasoning behind that. What I DONT agree with is locking people out from authorizing what they've paid for. I'l stop there because thats going OT.

@Sunborn

I'll just make my point as well. Words transcend boundries, and if words have meaning, and they do, I'll stick to that.

Hey, you have a good day too.