Traktor struggling to stay relevant - Group Share

macsoft · April 3

Hi guys, you can call this a rant.. but I don't know what else to do, or who to talk to.

Its a fact: you can't use Traktor with the club standard CDJ3000 on a 6 months old M4 laptop. And Native refuses even to test it out in 4 months the bug is reported. I literally have to rent gear when I play in 2 clubs I have residency on because of that.
when you report a problem, your ticket gets closed when they can't fix it.
We've asked for so long for instant Stems.. and after so much time, they gave us Not that.
The "Can't load on Locked Deck" is a bug for more than a Decade!! and its still not fixed.
2025 and we still have no daytime skin.
Flexible grids (like every other major DJ software).. where are you?
A simple vinyl break when stoping a song (like every other major DJ software), we don't have it.
I'm not even gonna talk about new relevant hardware and the X1 MK3 button redesign debacle (really?! switching the position of CUE and PLAY?)
the fact that FREEZE DELAY is buggy since forever..
even APPLE MUSIC Streaming Service integrated with all major software companies and forgot about Traktor.

all these make me so mad I didn't invest all my skill gaining years in any other major DJ software…

What makes YOU sad about Traktor and Natives bug support?

Please share it with the group. this is a safe space.

Quade · April 3

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/44118/traktor-struggling-to-stay-relevant-group-share

Nothing new

Scott Frost · April 3

Its a fact: you can't use Traktor with the club standard CDJ3000 on a 6 months old M4 laptop. And Native refuses even to test it out in 4 months the bug is reported. I literally have to rent gear when I play in 2 clubs I have residency on because of that.

—→ Why would you pay $5000+ to use Traktor on it? If you have problems with it - you need to contact Pioneer - NOT NI, they don't make the player. It's designed to use RekordBox, so you should look at that. If you want tight integration, then buy Traktor Hardware.
when you report a problem, your ticket gets closed when they can't fix it.
—→ Do you have proof of this? Post a ticket that shows that? Were you being rude?
We've asked for so long for instant Stems.. and after so much time, they gave us Not that.
—> Stems hasn't been out that long, stems takes time to process - if you want them, pre-process them.
The "Can't load on Locked Deck" is a bug for more than a Decade!! and its still not fixed.
—> Why would you load on a locked deck? That's the point of it - it's a feature not a bug. Unlock the deck to load a new track.
2025 and we still have no daytime skin.
—> It's been dark since the beginning of time, I don't think there's enough people to spend resources on it.
Flexible grids (like every other major DJ software).. where are you?
—> Flexible beatgrids make songs sound boring - be creative with sampling and this won't be an issue.
A simple vinyl break when stoping a song (like every other major DJ software), we don't have it.
—> This effect is overused, find new ones, or use a pedal with a tape delay.
I'm not even gonna talk about new relevant hardware and the X1 MK3 button redesign debacle (really?! switching the position of CUE and PLAY?)
—> if you don't like it - use an MK2, it's just muscle memory, relax…
the fact that FREEZE DELAY is buggy since forever..
—> I have never had an issue with it. Perhaps it's something you are doing wrong?
even APPLE MUSIC Streaming Service integrated with all major software companies and forgot about Traktor.
—> calm down - it was only announced last week… buy your music and you won't need to stream which is unreliable anyway.

lord-carlos · April 3

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/219796#Comment_219796

No no, he is right. There is a famous "Can't load on Locked Deck" bug and NI is aware. It's very rare and yet very annoying. The bug stops you from loading into a stopped deck.

I don't think there's enough people to spend resources on it.

It was highly upvoted and was even on the roadmap a few years back.

Probably can't be done before updating the UI framework.

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/44118/traktor-struggling-to-stay-relevant-group-share

@ The x1 mk3. They wanted back to the x1 mk1 design:

I found it way more struggling that the first batch had mushy encoders.

—

Not being able to send record out to a second interface is ass.

Also all the small UI .. inconsistencies or rather not how you do modern UI any more is also annoying. The collection browser needs a heavy rework.

PK The DJ · April 3

I can't help but agree. If there are CDJ-3000s available, why would you want/need to use Traktor (or any DJ software)? Use them standalone, as intended by Pioneer. No need to rent anything.

However I don't agree with some of the comments…

Apple Music have not integrated with "all major software companies".

Stems have been around for nearly five years now, and even then the separation was done on the fly.

Truly flexible beat grids (that don't require manual setting) are not available in every DJ software. Only Algoriddim are doing it properly. Rekordbox introduced a similar system more recently. How on earth do they make songs sound boring? They don't affect the sound.

macsoft · April 3

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/219800#Comment_219800

"If there are CDJ-3000s available, why would you want/need to use Traktor (or any DJ software)? Use them standalone" - If its a Dance/Eletronic set, sure. I'm a very technical DJ. There are a lot of tricks you can only do with software, including Stem tricks. Also: in an open format night, theres still no easy way to search for your songs. So yeah, thats why we are all here still.

"Apple Music have not integrated with "all major software companies". - Rekordbox, Denon, Algoriddim and Serato.

macsoft · April 3

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/219796#Comment_219796

"—→ Why would you pay $5000+ to use Traktor on it?" - I don't. its the clubs standard gear.

If you have problems with it - you need to contact Pioneer. The hardware didn't change. and the rest of DJ apps don't have this problem. Traktor is a SOFTWARE product supposed to run on HARDWARE (computers) and doesn't work on 2 year old machines forward (macbooks M3 and M4).
when you report a problem, your ticket gets closed when they can't fix it.
"—→ Do you have proof of this? Post a ticket that shows that?"
here you go: https://i.ibb.co/fz3RgXX2/Screenshot-2025-04-04-at-00-35-55.png

"Were you being rude?" - no. why are you? anyway, they say its the way they work. if they can't fix it for a while its their policy to close unsolved tickets.

We've asked for so long for instant Stems.. and after so much time, they gave us Not that.
"—> Stems hasn't been out that long" - what do you mean? its been years!
The "Can't load on Locked Deck" is a bug for more than a Decade!! and its still not fixed.
"—> Why would you load on a locked deck? That's the point of it - it's a feature not a bug. Unlock the deck to load a new track." - theres no track on deck. thats the bug…. dozens of posts about that bug going back at least 10 years.
2025 and we still have no daytime skin.
"—> It's been dark since the beginning of time, I don't think there's enough people to spend resources on it. " - Its one of the simplest requests to make available.
Flexible grids (like every other major DJ software).. where are you?
"—> Flexible beatgrids make songs sound boring - be creative with sampling and this won't be an issue." - if constant BPM makes your songs sounf boring… the problem is NOT the bpm.
A simple vinyl break when stoping a song (like every other major DJ software), we don't have it.
—> "This effect is overused, find new ones, or use a pedal with a tape delay." - Again: if its your cup of tea, or your don't know how to use it, don't use it. let the rest of us, and all the other Djs with Serato CDJ and Rekordbox do it.
I'm not even gonna talk about new relevant hardware and the X1 MK3 button redesign debacle (really?! switching the position of CUE and PLAY?)2
—> "if you don't like it - use an MK2, it's just muscle memory, relax…" i do. I have 3 of them. Its just a testement to how poorly Native Instruments think on new hardware.
the fact that FREEZE DELAY is buggy since forever..
—> "I have never had an issue with it. Perhaps it's something you are doing wrong?" - yeah. "it never happen to me, so it aint real". search the forums. lots of us overthere.
even APPLE MUSIC Streaming Service integrated with all major software companies and forgot about Traktor.
"—> calm down - it was only announced last week… buy your music and you won't need to stream which is unreliable anyway." - I think DJ streaming is a terrible idea. I would never use it. But it does show how major music companies don't even care About Native Instruments no more. Read the title of the post. thanks

KarimS · April 5

Some of the world's biggest names are still using Traktor. It's still very relevant. Keep in mind Traktor is aimed at the Dj/producer not the typical wedding/house party dj.

They buit their ecosystem around integration between their software and hardware perhaps without as much focus on other brands but there is still interoperability with other brands of you want it.......

That being said, remix decks have always been a feature that put Traktor head and shoulders above everyone else....…the remix decks made the difference between the dj who just plays tracks and the dj who actually creates something brand new during their set.

The remix decks haven't worked properly since the release of TP4 in July 2024!!! So basically Traktor today is the same as any other market competitor. With that in mind if I was new to the dj scene I wouldn't make Traktor my first choice ......but since I'm already invested I will continue waiting until they decide to fix these bugs, as disappointing and frustrating as it is.

lord-carlos · April 5

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/220038#Comment_220038

Joris Voorn and.. Uhh.. Paris Hilton?

Who else?

Uwe303 · April 5

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 😎 👍 Carl Cox, Richie Hawtin, Modeselektor, and I'm sure some more, for me as a hobby knob twister traktor works fine but most of my DJ friends use pioneer stuff mostly without software when djing, only recordbox for creating playlists or whatever they use it for

PK The DJ · April 5

Regarding the remix decks…… NI introduced those with Traktor 2.5 in 2012

Two years earlier, Serato teamed up with Ableton to introduce The Bridge "a software partnership which brings together DJ performance and production".