Maschine 3.0 General Discussion

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  • djadidai
    djadidai Member Posts: 478 Pro

    I bought a machine mk2 that included machine 1. I got upgraded to M2 without having to pay and I’ve since then enjoyed M2 software, bought a Jam, bought a M+ also. I’ll gladly pay for M3, and I don’t feel scammed for it at all. I think I’ll keep the M+ on M2sw to begin with and see what others say about the M+ with M3sw installed on it. One question tho, if I buy M3sw, will the update for the M+ be included or are they separate? Or will the M+ ping the servers and show me I have an update for the firmware and software?

  • Skijumptoes
    Skijumptoes Member Posts: 70 Helper

    As Mk1 and Mk2 are being discontinued on the 6th November, Is that not a bit of a clue as to the release of Maschine 3.0? :)

  • Mark Oxley
    Mark Oxley Member Posts: 285 Pro
    edited November 5
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/188136#Comment_188136

    My old used hardware as you put it is the current Maschine MK3 and therein lies my problem. Someone purchasing a brand new Maschine MK3 today will get Maschine 3 for free with that purchase but a long time and loyal customer is supposed to be ok about having to purchase that same software. I for 1 have a big problem with that.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 247 Advisor

    Wait. My takeaway from this thread… is that Maschine3 will cost money? The software Native Instruments has always needed much more than I ever did so that the paid expansions they sell work as intended will now be a paid update unless I buy the new K15 which contains it? lmao I didnt think the brand would poop on itself this quickly and totally, but here we are. My decision to move away from all this 6+ months ago was wise and well timed I see.

  • Cretin Dilettante
    Cretin Dilettante Member Posts: 180 Advisor
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/188141#Comment_188141

    So what you're telling me is that I was right, and it really will be "tree fiddy". I knew it. Native Instruments is run by the LOCH NESS MONSTER!

  • Matthew_NI
    Matthew_NI Product Team Posts: 1,330 mod
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/188183#Comment_188183

    I'm not sure that I understand?

  • Cretin Dilettante
    Cretin Dilettante Member Posts: 180 Advisor
    edited November 5
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/188185#Comment_188185

    It was a reference to a classic South Park gag, in which Chef's parents retell the story of meeting the Loch Ness Monster; instead of eating them alive, he asks them for $3.50. ("Tree Fiddy".). The gag is iterated upon multiple times, with the Loch Ness Monster adopting a variety of absurd disguises in order to trick them into giving him $3.50. The implication here is that Francisco Partners/Native Instruments is just the Loch Ness Monster's shell company, in a bid to extract exactly $3.50 from one of us.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 247 Advisor
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/188187#Comment_188187

    Are you suggesting that the maschine software - any version - has value outside of being paired specifically with NI's flagship hardware?

    Are you suggesting NI can have their cake and eat it, too, by SELLING the specific software they need so they can sell you more software? lmao this is amazing.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 247 Advisor

    Personally, I think NI should sell packing materials for hardware they ship. Customers, who continue to receive packing materials, documentation, and website access for free should appreciate the fair pricing of our new packing materials, and recognize they have been receiving free packing materials for many years.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 247 Advisor
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/188193#Comment_188193

    That's funny, yeah. Intentional misunderstandings are funny.

    Let me try again. Simpler this time.

    1. Maschine3 will cost money
    2. Maschine, itself, is not necessary to use for, in my case, the mk3 controller.
    3. Maschine, itself, is only around for convenient access to expansions, version 1, 2, or 3.
    4. >pay for expansions. >pay for maschine3.

    Hope this is clearer for you, as I dont think I can be more clear.

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 247 Advisor
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/188203#Comment_188203

    At the end of the day, charging $$ for a glorified soundpack player that your brand relies on for a core income stream is just a typical shady way of increasing margins and stretching your customers more thinly. It may also bite you in the rear as you sell fewer overall units, lose long term customers, and generally "hack" your business model to death.

    Was someone trying to stop someone else from making their own decision? Is discussing economics somehow denying others the ability to make an informed choice, or is it actually the direct opposite?

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