Official explanation for Play Series on M+

Jean Voyage · 2024-05-25T12:16:25+00:00

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Hi guys I just wanted to pop by quickly and ask if there’s an official explanation for the absence of Play Series Instruments from Maschine?

I get that some of them may be a bit on the CPU heavy side, and some features do not translate to the interface. But why are there no stripped down versions at least for the presets and some front page manipulation of the sounds? There obviously is an interface for Kontrol/Maschine, why can’t we at least have the presets play with the built in Kontakt engine?

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ozon

@Jean Voyage asked

Hi guys I just wanted to pop by quickly and ask if there’s an official explanation for the absence of Play Series Instruments from Maschine?

No.

Likewise for most of the NI effects. Or Reaktor ensembles. Or countless Kontakt libraries (of which the Play Series are a tiny subset).

NI does in general not explain the why aspect of product availability.

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AdelV

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/31309/official-explanation-for-play-series-on-m

You need the full version of Kontakt 7 for these new sound libraries to work. For technical reasons and the architecture of the Maschine + subsystem, this is not possible. I'm sorry about that too, but you can always use Auto Sampler, which works really well, and perform sampling of a particular sound.

tetsuneko

If Play series instruments require Kontakt 7, they will be unavailable even in theory, until we get Kontakt 7 for Maschine+ standalone. This might take a long time to arrive, and even when it arrives, there is no guarantee that Play series instruments will be officially ported for M+ standalone.

I am a bit curious why you think NI owes you any explanations regarding which products they make available on the M+ standalone?

Jean Voyage

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/156309#Comment_156309

Ok, thanks. I am pretty sure that Play Series was around before Kontakt 7 but if that’s the case then this may be the explanation.

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/156317#Comment_156317

I don’t think NI owe me an explanation, I was just asking if there is one…

They would certainly increase the appeal of the platform and since they are half of the new bread and butter for NI…

ozon

@Jean Voyage asked

Hi guys I just wanted to pop by quickly and ask if there’s an official explanation for the absence of Play Series Instruments from Maschine?

No.

Likewise for most of the NI effects. Or Reaktor ensembles. Or countless Kontakt libraries (of which the Play Series are a tiny subset).

NI does in general not explain the why aspect of product availability.

Jean Voyage

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/156481#Comment_156481

right, ok thank you. I was wondering about some of the fx too… the sound mangling fx like bite would make a nice addition as would support for Kontakt patches, even just older ones, so we could import some of those classic libraries.

I really wonder why they stopped developing the feature set of the M+, it really feels abandoned.

b-righteous

You answered your own question in the original post. M+ CPU and RAM is way too underpowered to accommodate many of the instruments and FX in Komplete. They could allow some of them but then have even more complaints about CPU overload. Thinking of Kontakt and disk streaming, not sure the HD architecture would accommodate the fast loading required for deeply multi-sampled libraries.

As far as making slimed down versions, this would be on the developer of the libraries to do. Most of these libraries are created by 3rd parties. The time and effort required to make a CPU friendlier version is not always as easy as you would think and may not yield the expected results. I would bet most would not be interested or think worth their time.

It is what it is, NI ****** the potential of M+ when it comes to compatibility with Komplete when they chose such an underpowered platform to build it on. Sure they could get some more CPU and RAM friendly content available but I personally feel this is mostly a lost cause.

Jean Voyage

thanks, @b-righteous for your input.

I totally get that about some of the more complex libraries, not trying to run a 10gb piano on that thing.

Play Series instruments are rather light, mostly just two multisample patches layered together with pretty basic fx. Same goes for those 2000s sample CDs (thing Vocal Planet), they are even lighter consisting only of a few samples per patch. Yet, particularly for layering other sounds, they would make for a great addition.

tetsuneko

I'm pretty sure youy could make old Akai sample CD stuff work on M+ standalone if you converted them to Kontakt format with something like Chickensys translator, and then transferred them over to the M+ SD card. This requires a full licence for Kontakt 6 however..

Jean Voyage

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/156752#Comment_156752

I tried that with Mo Phatt patches recreated in Kontakt and it didn't work. Those were Kontakt 4 or 5 patches. I did have a license for Kontakt 6 then, now I only have 7 (sold Komplete, bought again a version later on a whim) and find it too frustrating to try and work around artificial limitations that simply shouldn't be there.

b-righteous

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/156765#Comment_156765

You brought me back with Mo Phatt.

Jean Voyage

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/157925#Comment_157925

yeah it has so many cheesy patches but some of the stuff also really held up well…

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