Wasapi or ASIO

Marloss
Marloss Member Posts: 8 Member

Hello everybody!

Can you tell me what is better driver for my S4 mk3, win 11?

I switched from wasapi to asio, but ill need to take it back to wasapi, cause driving on asio my cpu sometimes go high and program needs to restart.

I changed to asio because a few people told me that is recommended driver for s4 but its worse, please some recommend?

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  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 862 Guru
    edited January 9 Answer ✓

    The S4 MK3 should work fine with WASAPI (Microsoft's generic ASIO style driver) so there should be no need to use ASIO in this case.

    Often with pro audio interfaces you should use the supplied ASIO driver, so that's probably why people told you to use it, but the S4 doesn't need it, so if WASAPI works then use that.

  • red_nick
    red_nick Member Posts: 94 Member
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    What lord-carlos said. You might find WASAPI to be less demanding on your system though, so if that's an issue don't worry about using it.

    Definitely recommend the article "Windows Tuning Tips for Audio Processing" on the main Native Instruments website (unfortunately still can't post links)

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  • lord-carlos
    lord-carlos Member Posts: 2,083 Expert

    Normally ASIO works better, but if wasapi works for you just keep that.

    What settings do you use with ASIO? 44100 hz and 256 buffer size?

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 862 Guru
    edited January 9 Answer ✓

    The S4 MK3 should work fine with WASAPI (Microsoft's generic ASIO style driver) so there should be no need to use ASIO in this case.

    Often with pro audio interfaces you should use the supplied ASIO driver, so that's probably why people told you to use it, but the S4 doesn't need it, so if WASAPI works then use that.

  • red_nick
    red_nick Member Posts: 94 Member
    Answer ✓

    What lord-carlos said. You might find WASAPI to be less demanding on your system though, so if that's an issue don't worry about using it.

    Definitely recommend the article "Windows Tuning Tips for Audio Processing" on the main Native Instruments website (unfortunately still can't post links)

  • Marloss
    Marloss Member Posts: 8 Member

    I try both 44100 and 48000 with 256 and 512 buffer combination, cpu is very low, but in one moment suddenly go high and crashes...

  • Stevan
    Stevan Traktor Mapping Mod Posts: 1,550 mod

    Recommending to use dedicated ASIO driver when ever it is possible. It is better optimized in terms of the latency but also for the same reason gives more stress to your system. (which is indicated on the LOAD meter in case that your computer is not optimized well for realtime audio processing).

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 862 Guru

    @Stevan the S4MK3 does not require an ASIO driver.

    From Native Instruments support page:

    "Unlike former TRAKTOR controllers, the S4 MK3 uses Windows' own 'WASAPI (Exclusive)' driver"

  • Stevan
    Stevan Traktor Mapping Mod Posts: 1,550 mod

    I did state when ever it is possible :)))) Please don't get me started on the S4 Mk3 implementation and lack of updates.

  • viper9711
    viper9711 Member Posts: 72 Helper

    What's the different between WASAPI (Exclusive) and WASAPI (Shared) Driver?

  • Sunborn
    Sunborn Member Posts: 2,193 Expert

    Technically, ASIO is always superior. Its greater benefit is that ASIO is designed to communicate directly with the audio hardware, bypassing the layers of the operating system (which are the main reason for high latency in audio processing). As you probably know, real-time, audio recording and playback in high quality it's a demand in music production, thus ASIO is the perfect solution for this.

    Yet sometimes you have to use WASAPI for whatever reason. Then, you have 2 options:

    The WASAPI Shared Mode is suitable for multimedia playback. That's it. However, in WASAPI Exclusive Mode, the application takes exclusive control of an audio device, almost like an ASIO driver does. This bypasses the audio signal directly to the audio hardware. This mode is suitable for professional audio recording and playback where low latency is required to precisely record the audio.

    So, as lord-carlos said, this mode will give you lower latency. However i'm afraid that it won't do much for your problem, so if you will use WASAPI i recommend the shared mode.

    However before you go to WASAPI, i recommend to try ASIO but with disabled Multi Core Processing from your Traktor's Audio setup because sometimes the CPU problem is because of this. Though this depends on various other Windows setting.

    If you still have a problem, then switch back to WASAPI.

    Note (for home use only, not for gigs!): If you also have a good audio sound card, i recommend you use this one (with its ASIO drivers) instead of the S4 MK3 audio options and use your S4 only as a controller. In this way, all your devices will have a less heavy duty, which will lead to a smaller CPU use.

  • Sûlherokhh
    Sûlherokhh Member, Traktor Mapping Mod Posts: 1,533 mod
    edited January 10

    @Sunborn :

    Note (for home use only, not for gigs!): If you also have a good audio sound card, i recommend you use this one (with its ASIO drivers) instead of the S4 MK3 audio options and use your S4 only as a controller. In this way, all your devices will have a less heavy duty, which will lead to a smaller CPU use.

    I use a separate audio card for gigs all the time, without any problem so far, forgoing use of the inbuilt master and cue monitor controls. So i would personally correct the strong statement from 'for home use only, not for gigs!' to 'for all uses, after extensive trials at home, as i always do'. 😎🎧

  • lord-carlos
    lord-carlos Member Posts: 2,083 Expert

    Why would using a secendary audio interface lead to smaller CPU usage?

  • Sunborn
    Sunborn Member Posts: 2,193 Expert
    edited January 10

    ok, i probably didn't explain it well... :-)

    what i meant is that, of course you can use a separate audio card on gigs and there is absolutely no problem with this!

    but... if you have and if you can.

    some people have big studio cards that are very unpractical to carry with them and others have very expensive material to risk using it on the road, while some others prefer to travel light (that's me!) :-) ... for some others maybe it is the only card they have and they don't want to risk a damage or to get stolen...

    ...and so on, and so on... in our example here, the S4 MK3 has an audio card onboard so, personally i wouldn't take an extra card with me...

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