Native Instruments causing Problems For Musicians
They changed their formula for their open-key format couple of years ago.
open-key is a numbers system for dj's (enables a degree of harmonic mixing) and now since the change is not suitable for learning musicians. It's still good for dj use.
Camelot system is similar but initially accommodate'D learning musicians, as they could refer to a chart.
Its the circle of fifths for djs. On the chart 2A= Am 2B=Cmaj
Prior to the change... 2m = Aminor
Authentic samples with the musical key Am in the filename when analysed would be displayed to me as 2m (open-key format)
Should the file being analysed not be named with the musical key, I could if I so wished refer to the Camelot wheel to discover the musical key.
After the change 2m = Cmaj
This is now of no use to learning musicians.
If that wasn't bad enough they also shifted the whole wheel, now making it out of step with the camelot system, but at an interval (should the 2 systems be compared audibly) of relative harmonic compatibility.
This must have bleed-over into the production side imo.
MIDI 2.0's only purpose is to hide this scandalous behaviour, again imo.
Your thought's/questions?
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The N.I. forum liaison @Jeremy_NI is on leave and will not be back until November 6th and he represents , I think the best chance for any actual communication with N.I. on the subject. You could try to approach support but I think that Jeremy is the far better choice to approach with the issue !
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Thank you for responding PoorFellow.
I am posting this to read other musicians/producers views, not for support.
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If you want my view…they don’t even give us the opportunity to add our own chords…in this prospective what you are talking about is science fiction ☺️
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How does midi2 fit into this? I don't get it.
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Well, certain midi controllers with "advanced functions" such as scale/chord//arp modes only work outside using the KK plugin.
MIDI 2.0 will enable those controllers to not require the use of KK plugin
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There’s 3 lines of midi controllers from 3 different manufacturers which do chords/arps/scales on device, without KK or Midi 2.0...
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Yes that is known.
Those controllers don't contain funky scales.
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You’ll have to tell me what “funky” is? Cool, custom, trendy or what? :)
My point was that one does not need KK wrapper or NKS or MIDI 2.0, in order to have scales/chords/arps available on a keyboard controller, that’s all.
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Respectfully, your point is off-topic.
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Respectfully, so is yours, in relation to your first post. You mentioned scales/arps/chords and MIDI 2.0 first, in context of not needing KK plugin as a wrapper when midi 2.0 is widely implemented - I just responded to that.
I’ll leave you to it then ;)
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Respectfully, you have not made your point or topic very clear.
What again has changed to your disliking?
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They changed their formula for their open-key format couple of years ago.
open-key is a numbers system for dj's (enables a degree of harmonic mixing) and now since the change is not suitable for learning musicians. It's still good for dj use.
Camelot system is similar but initially accommodate'D learning musicians, as they could refer to a chart.
Its the circle of fifths for djs. On the chart 2A= Am 2B=Cmaj
Prior to the change... 2m = Aminor
Authentic samples with the musical key Am in the filename when analysed would be displayed to me as 2m (open-key format)
Should the file being analysed not be named with the musical key, I could if I so wished refer to the Camelot wheel to discover the musical key.
After the change 2m = Cmaj
This is now of no use to learning musicians.
If that wasn't bad enough they also shifted the whole wheel, now making it out of step with the camelot system, but at an interval (should the 2 systems be compared audibly) of relative harmonic compatibility.
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After what change?
Traktors behavior did not change in a few years now, no?
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So if I understand you...
You are simply saying you prefer Camelot to Open Key?
And you wish NI used Camelot instead?
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The change of key analysis happened on October 18, 2018 with the release of Traktor Pro 3.
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