SERATO STEM SEPARATION IN MASCHINE?

Paul Opp
Paul Opp Member Posts: 25 Member

Any word if NI will try to have stem separation when sampling with Maschine. I understand I could purchase Serato Sample and use that but i would like to save $200cad and keep using NI? With the expanding world of products maybe they could use Izotope tech ie RX10?

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  • Kymeia
    Kymeia Member Posts: 3,444 Expert
    edited August 2023

    Didn't realise RX could export Stems but just looked it up :)

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,664 mod
    edited August 2023

    Nop, no word. It would be nice, so far not much has come to fruition in terms of SW since iZotope and NI became 'family', Traktor got a Maximizer and that's it afaik... nothing else.

    Hard to imagine that happening soon when we still don't even have RT time stretch for Slices/Chops yet, something Serato Sample has had for ages and people massively requested for many years, for the decade I have been around the only update related to the Sampler I can remember is the "Auto-Sampler" which only happened due to the M+, it seems major features might require a new hardware model to be in the pipeline to happen these days. Not even Traktor has Stems and instead released a revamped controller a couple of days ago even tho you got a lot more users asking for STEMS than a new X1 🤷‍♂️. It seems this kind of sw innovation is not much of a priority for NI, unfortunately.

    RX is pretty decent at stem separation, a free alternative to anyone reading is Ultimate Vocal Remover, you can easily install the latest algorithms and the best ones have stems too:

    https://ultimatevocalremover.com/

  • Paul Opp
    Paul Opp Member Posts: 25 Member

    I will wait until Black Friday and maybe Serato sample will go on sale.

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 792 Guru

    You could use VirtualDJ to perform stem separation. Even the free home version has stems.

    The process can be saved to a file, which contains all the parts.

  • Paul Opp
    Paul Opp Member Posts: 25 Member
  • Kymeia
    Kymeia Member Posts: 3,444 Expert

    It is rather odd that NI invented Stems but Maschine can’t natively export them

  • Anthony20h10
    Anthony20h10 Member Posts: 10 Member

    I use moises excellent application for smartphone, web , pc et Mac

    https://moises.ai/fr/

  • TurnedTables
    TurnedTables Member Posts: 32 Helper
    edited September 2023

    Try nuo-stems https://nuo-stems.com/. High quality stems output in Traktor format, also outputs individual .wav tracks for use in other applications.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 3,947 Expert
    edited September 2023

    I used all the stems separation you mentioned and many others. All good, some free, some that allow additional functions (RipX),…And some can do the job even BETTER (even if…I must say I’m impressed by the results with Sample 2…the voices are just the voices…the bass is JUST the bass, not the bass AND the bass frequencies of the voices, the drums,…)

    But believe me: the comfort using new Serato Sample 2 gives you…priceless

    Having 4 buttons that turns on/off the parts you want/don’t want…exactly there in the same program you are using to chop everything up…

    “How would it be if I play this 2 sec chop reversed and only with the voice and the bass?” Click Click Click. Voilá, three clicks and you can hear it. “Ok…no…the voice reversed is not ok. Let’s remove it and put the piano with the bass”. Click click. Done

    We can already do it anyway in many other ways, but the “straightness” that having it all in “one solution” gives you is difficult to explain. It becomes more natural. No need to think in advance. No need to imagine what you will need. It’s like when you sit down in front of the turntable, you put your disc on and the fingers on the needle. You are there to do this job and only this: find something that hits your hears giving you that sparkle of a first idea as soon as the needle hits the “right” spot. That kind of “straightness”

    It did remind me of this passage in Wu-Tang - An American Saga, representing what’s happening in RZA’s head while sampling. With those 4 buttons directly at your disposal, you feel a little bit like the conductor of the orchestra ☺️


  • Kymeia
    Kymeia Member Posts: 3,444 Expert
    edited September 2023

    Has anyone tried Spectralayers for this sort of thing? What has always put me off the standard stems approach is it assumes you make music with voice, bass, drums, synth/guitar but I don’t. As far as I can tell Spectralayers breaks music up into layers based on their spectral qualities but isn’t as rigid about what types of music you are making. But I’ve not tried it so I could be wrong, and also I don’t know if you can then export those layers as audio tracks but I think that’s likely so it might provide a more powerful and flexible way of creating stems.

  • orioleravenmd
    orioleravenmd Member Posts: 7 Member

    You’re going to be able to do the stem separation in an upcoming Fl studio update. Crazy….

  • darkwaves
    darkwaves Member Posts: 324 Guru

    Cubase added Spectralayers One in version 11 (back in 2020). You can unmix vocals and drag the separated vocals and instruments into your project. It loads as an ARA extension. You don't export; you literally just click a button, wait for it to process and then just drag the result to a new track.

    It doesn't "unmix" the individual instruments the same way as the full suite, serato, etc. I'm not sure if the capabilities have been updated in the newer versions of Cubase.

    I've not tried the full version of Spectralayers, but I suspect it would just add more functionality to do more audio black magic.

  • orioleravenmd
    orioleravenmd Member Posts: 7 Member

    They added that plus FL Cloud. It's like Splice from their browser and you can change the key of any file from within the browser. You browse various sample packs. Then you can drag them in the playlist. They also added built in mastering via FL Cloud.

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