Tempo alignment with song

Rauldaniel
Rauldaniel Member Posts: 51 Member

Hello I have read and seen all videos on it ans still cannot figure this out.

I have a pattern with a beat. Basically a group of sounds that create the beat in one group.

in another group I add a complete song with no drums.

Matching both the song and the pattern rhythm is impossible.

I already tried converting the song into an audio clip but it starts slightly to the right and can see this in the piano roll. Both have same tempo but what I cannot do is align the beats .


Close to nightmare and quite difficult to use Maschine plus in this. In the software I can drag the audio and align it to the beats quite easy. But I don’t have a computer

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  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 793 Guru
    Answer ✓

    It would be helpful if you told us which song the vocals are from.

    Songs are not always a single fixed tempo, especially if they're pre-drum machine, pre-click track or pre-DAW.

    Maschine will play at a constant tempo, so I can only assume the original track does not have a constant tempo.

    The easiest way to fix this IMO is to warp the original in Ableton Live, then extract the vocal stem from the warped version. Live has recently improved auto-warp so you should get usable results without much effort.

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  • Sunborn
    Sunborn Member Posts: 2,104 Expert
    edited June 2023

    You should read the manual. Everything is explained there.

    ...or do a Google search, there are thousands of videos, explaining everything.

    Check this one:


  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,664 mod

    @Rauldaniel said:

    Close to nightmare and quite difficult to use Maschine plus in this. In the software I can drag the audio and align it to the beats quite easy. But I don’t have a computer

    What do you mean? You move the Clips containing the Audio right/left until it's correctly aligned on the software?

    If so, you can do the same in the M+:

    -- Hold Shift+Follow and disable the Arrange Grid, then just go to the Song menu and use Knob-1 to move your Clip

  • Rauldaniel
    Rauldaniel Member Posts: 51 Member

    Thanks let me try!

  • Rauldaniel
    Rauldaniel Member Posts: 51 Member

    So I tried, I will Re explain the process.

    As I have seen the videos shared and it doesn’t work for me or there is something wrong I’m doing.

    1. Using Moises app I split voice and instruments. Adjusting tempo in Moises to match the one in Maschine plus.
    2. I sample voice into Maschine into one group. Group A
    3. I add a drum group to another group. Group B
    4. I manually adjust the starting point of the voice I recorded using the sample split function.
    5. I click play and the drum beats starts playing.
    6. At the start drums and voices match but after 15 seconds a mis act starts to happen. Meaning that the starting is not 100 accurate.

    Since both voice and drums are in the same tempo Is only alignment of beats and voice.

    and this has been so hard to understand, I’m not able to match them for the complete song .

    I already tried converting the song into audio and it doesn’t work.

  • darkwaves
    darkwaves Member Posts: 324 Guru

    Is that group in B your drums or from the original song?

    I don't know what "moises" is; but did you go through and tempo map the vocals? If your vocals are 100.6bpm and you have maschine on 100bpm, things are going to get out of sync.

    If I were doing this in Cubase, I'd go through the entire vocal and snap it back to tempo periodically. It's tedious, but I rarely see songs that align perfectly to tempo without a little help. Maschine doesn't have this type of function.

    If I had to do it in maschine, I'd cut the vocal up into smaller pieces and align them manually. You could probably use the pitch wheel in the audio module to "nudge", but I'd much rather just lock the vocals to tempo in a DAW before bothering with bringing it into maschine.

  • Rauldaniel
    Rauldaniel Member Posts: 51 Member

    No drums are from Maschine groups.

    Vocals are exported with the same tempo I’m using in Maschine.

    So basically I need to use a computer ?

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 2,664 mod
    edited June 2023

    What are you trying to do? Lay a whole song separated by stems (or vocals+instrumental) on Maschine? What for?

    If the point is sampling just truncate a perfect loop in the Audio module, small chunks like 4 or 8 bars.

    Even if the BPM's are the same a bit of misalignment will sound worst and worst as the song goes on, Maschine's resolution of moving a clip back and forth is limited. Also, if the song you're using wasn't recorded with a metronome (common for old songs) it will always get out of alignment.

    I don't know why anyone would undergo this pain in Maschine, just do it in a DAW, align it with the metronome then export it so your final .wav start at the beginning of bar, and has total length also by Bars instead of whatever non-bar defined length the original content is as that just confuses any non-smart auto BPM detection.

  • darkwaves
    darkwaves Member Posts: 324 Guru

    Again; you can cut your vocals into smaller parts and line them up that way. If your vocals are drifting every 15 seconds, then find a spot every 10 seconds, create new clip and move it back into place. It would be tedious, but if you've gotten the tempo as close as you can, then I think it would be the next best option. Personally, if I had no choice but to use maschine and ran into this issue; I just wouldn't use the audio module. I'd use a bunch of one shots in the sampler.

    You don't need to use a computer; but IMO, using a DAW would make a lot more sense than using a sequencer/sampler/groovebox.

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 793 Guru
    Answer ✓

    It would be helpful if you told us which song the vocals are from.

    Songs are not always a single fixed tempo, especially if they're pre-drum machine, pre-click track or pre-DAW.

    Maschine will play at a constant tempo, so I can only assume the original track does not have a constant tempo.

    The easiest way to fix this IMO is to warp the original in Ableton Live, then extract the vocal stem from the warped version. Live has recently improved auto-warp so you should get usable results without much effort.

  • Rauldaniel
    Rauldaniel Member Posts: 51 Member

    Shape of you is the song .

    I will take a look in ableton but I was really expecting a solution inside Maschine plus.

    Basically I only want to align the good start of the sample throughout all the song

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 793 Guru
    edited June 2023

    OK thanks. The first thing I note is that the vocal doesn't start on a beat (first bar of).

    The first line "A club isn't the best place..." starts before the beat, so the first beat is on "lub".

    Please confirm you're aware of that.

    Also, adjusting the tempo of Ed's copyrighted material in Moises may not be the best idea. Maybe Moises isn't accurate in that respect.

    [EDIT] I've just tried running Ed's acca stem (started in the right place) alongside a drum loop in my DJ software and it stays in perfect time, so it's not the tempo drifting.

  • Rauldaniel
    Rauldaniel Member Posts: 51 Member

    How did you achieved it ? To stay in the perfect timing?

    Can you advice in your process ? I’ll try to replicate

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 793 Guru

    It's explained in the post.

  • Rauldaniel
    Rauldaniel Member Posts: 51 Member

    Thanks, yes I’m aware of the starting point of the song thanks.

    I meant, the process you can use in Maschine .

    Im concluding that Moises is changing the tempo?

  • PK The DJ
    PK The DJ Member Posts: 793 Guru

    No, I'm not using Moises. In fact I recommended against using it - as written in the post.

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